THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

Whichever way you voted what an incompetent, rollicking mess on all sides.

For the avoidance of doubt I am using this meaning of rollicking
“noun [ C usually singular ] UK ​ /ˈrɒl.ɪ.kɪŋ/ US ​ /ˈrɑː.lɪ.kɪŋ/ uk informal
​
an occasion when someone tells you in a very angry way that you have done something wrong:
We got a rollicking from the coach at half time.”

Although watching our elected MPs at play in parliament you’d have thought they were having a rollicking time by the other definition.

We recently had a PR scenario with the Tory-LibDem coalition,but that didn't suit either. All the PR demanding LibDems deserted their party at the very next GE.

There isn't two choices FPTP or PR, there are lots of alternatives. We even had a referendum on one of the alternatives, AV.

Just because the Lib Dems who support change had a reduction in votes doesn’t mean that those that no longer voted for them no longer want electoral reform.

Any alternative system to FPTP would always result in a coalition. The LibDems had their chance and the blew big time. If they had held their vote we would still be in a coalition now.

Yes, we would have collaborative coalitions formed every five years rather than the confrontational approach we have now which doesn't result in anything. This is the model in most of Europe and it produces stable governments. The Tories could split into two parties, the One Nation types and the weird ERG types. Labour could split into two parties, the left of centre and the weird hard left. What’s not to like?

The LibDems didn't blow their chance, they were the junior members and could only achieve an AV referedum.

I voted remain, but, I was in the minority so I disagree with another referendum as it would make a mockery of democracy.
Most people who I've talked to knew exactly what they were voting for when they voted Brexit and that was to come completely out of the EU. (Just thought I would say that before the other remainers come in with the argument that 'they didn't know what they were voting for.')
In my opinion the only reason we are not already out is because 70% of MP's want us to remain!

Pretty much echo that myself, the one thing that I have to say has been very clear to me, is that I didn't quite realise I had a number of friends who were closet racists, anyone who thought the EU would make us leaving them easy must be mad, as the second largest contributor to the EU coffers, us leaving, could ultimately create a domino effect in the EU in my opinion. Watching and listening to some of the rhetoric coming out of France and a number of the main players in the EU has softened my desire to stay within the EU, sadly as things rumble on I think we're heading towards a no deal, which could be difficult.

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Winner of the TCR APL Prediction league 2016-2017.

But that's the problem, you're only talking to people you know rather than a cross section of society. Go to a cafe in Islington and ask for their views on BRexit. Then do the same in Sunderland. Also, most people don't like to admit they were wrong so they saying they knew what they were voting for now doesn't mean they actually did. We cannot know what the people thought in 2016. What we do know now is what Brexit will look like and we have to go back to the people and ask them if this is what they actually want. Voting is democratic and can never make a mockery of democracy.

Do we

We know the Withdrawal part, granted we don't know what the Political Declaration looks like yet. It seems to me that the Brexiteers dislike the bit we know about (or it would have passed).