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Alby39
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 2:22 am 
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Above all I'm on the morality side of not letting an unwell man relieved of his only income for absolutely no reason.

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MKAylesburyDon
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
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Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.
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Dad_Of_A_Don
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:21 am 
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MKAylesburyDon wrote:
Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.


Normal employees can, yes. But football is well established as a different beast - players, for example, aren't entitled to their statutory annual leave etc in return for getting paid handsomely ti play a game most of us love.

If a player was sacked or released because of injury or "capability" in HR speak, the PFA would create a shit storm.

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Alby39
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:47 am 
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Dad_Of_A_Don wrote:
MKAylesburyDon wrote:
Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.


Normal employees can, yes. But football is well established as a different beast - players, for example, aren't entitled to their statutory annual leave etc in return for getting paid handsomely ti play a game most of us love.

If a player was sacked or released because of injury or "capability" in HR speak, the PFA would create a shit storm.


Not to mention that we'd be hypothetically doing so to someone who's had effectively an injury at work

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Aliramone
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
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I don't think I have ever been one of the prime movers in a sensible debate on here. EVER. :shock:
I apologise. I don't want that to happen again.
Still, at least the debate was not on the topic of the OP. :D

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Bill
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
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Surely we have injury insurance, so his pay isn't coming out the clubs coffers.
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paul4040
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 6:05 pm 
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Dad_Of_A_Don wrote:
MKAylesburyDon wrote:
Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.


Normal employees can, yes. But football is well established as a different beast - players, for example, aren't entitled to their statutory annual leave etc in return for getting paid handsomely ti play a game most of us love.

If a player was sacked or released because of injury or "capability" in HR speak, the PFA would create a shit storm.


Players are entitled to statutory annual leave if they are employees. That is what happens between the end of the season and beginning of preseason.
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Dad_Of_A_Don
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 6:39 pm 
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paul4040 wrote:
Dad_Of_A_Don wrote:
MKAylesburyDon wrote:
Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.


Normal employees can, yes. But football is well established as a different beast - players, for example, aren't entitled to their statutory annual leave etc in return for getting paid handsomely ti play a game most of us love.

If a player was sacked or released because of injury or "capability" in HR speak, the PFA would create a shit storm.


Players are entitled to statutory annual leave if they are employees. That is what happens between the end of the season and beginning of preseason.


In "normal" employment, the employee gets to choose when they take their leave, surely?

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paul4040
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
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Dad_Of_A_Don wrote:
paul4040 wrote:
Dad_Of_A_Don wrote:
MKAylesburyDon wrote:
Alby39 wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
Whilst I am a person who delights in 'off the wall antics', I think it's time Leko left "by mutual consent"; he's been 'off sick for (is it?) 13 months.


Why? He's in a contract he's entitled to earn.. you can't just release someone because they're ill, effectively.
Imagine you were off work by an uncontrollable situation like injury or illness and your work sacked you?

It's not a sacking but a medical termination and companies are able to do this, essentially if you aren't able to fulfill your side of the employment contract due to ongoing medical issues the company can terminate your contract, otherwise people with open ended contracts (ie most employees but not footballers) would be able to remain being paid indefinitely whilst not working.


Normal employees can, yes. But football is well established as a different beast - players, for example, aren't entitled to their statutory annual leave etc in return for getting paid handsomely ti play a game most of us love.

If a player was sacked or released because of injury or "capability" in HR speak, the PFA would create a shit storm.


Players are entitled to statutory annual leave if they are employees. That is what happens between the end of the season and beginning of preseason.


In "normal" employment, the employee gets to choose when they take their leave, surely?


No, they often do not. My wife has a mandatory contractual requirement to take two weeks off over Christmas and New Year, when the business closes down. And of course, there is no absolute entitlement to take leave whenever you like. Timing of statutory annual leave is ultimately at the discretion of the employer and they can refuse your request.

Footballers' annual leave is in the summer.
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Dad_Of_A_Don
 Post subject: Re: Dean Lewington
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 6:45 pm 
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Interesting. I suppose teachers also can only take leave in school holidays too. Point well made.

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