THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

That's for the foreign policy.

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Disclaimer: All my comments are my opinions unless stated otherwise. I'm just a fan following my club.

I always worry about the sort of comments towards those who vote reform are actually unproductive.

I'm a lefty, always have been. But I'm completely disillusioned by politics. Voted green or labour my whole adult life. But there are many people who don't trust left leaning parties, be in they are more talk than walk, don't fulfil policies and in some ways are also an elitist party who hide behind woke-ism or nice ideas yet don't actually end up doing that much.

Like with Brexit it was cool to alienate those leaning towards it. Blame it entirely on migration rather than anything else. And to an extent rightly so. But there are many people who feel lost, confused and not represented. They wanted anything that may result in a change - even if Brexit wouldn't end up providing it. Populist ideas such as reform, Brexit or Trump may have so many flaws. Maybe bigoted ideas. Many i
hate. But to some they actually see people trying to make their lives better - the legitimacy of this can be argued, but I can see why people may believe in it when they are struggling.

I have many friends who are big labour fans. But all they post on social media is 'fuck the tories' or calling everyone who is not them a racist. I don't think I've seen any of them post anything remotely positive about labour or anything to get anyone on their side. This is not the way to get people on board.

There is very little I agree with in terms of reform, but screaming and shouting that everyone is a racist or calling for them to be sectioned is only going to result in fringe parties or populist idea's from the right to grow stronger.

At last a sensible, insightful post. But I suppose it will be viciously shot down by the very people he talks about.

Please don't get me wrong though, I hate so much about what reform stand for. Many of their views I think are deplorable. But screaming and shouting at their potential voters whilst not providing genuine support for another party or trying to listen to them is only going to make things worse. Trying to fight hate with hate isn't the solution

I doubt many of the core Reform voters will have their Road to Damsascus moment. The more independent seeing the Brexit outcome will have already changed their mind. Others will double down. The future is the young people who are taking up environmental concerns and who will spearhead a movement for change.

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Yeah. Piss off.

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Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment

You don't have to lift the veil very much to see Reform's true colours
https://youtu.be/JmkMpYbOoO0?si=mTjTbUFuqp8HkX6J

Think C4 dropped a bollock with this one.

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Decided to come back.

I don't see that at all. They did every one a public service and I see Farage is talking about getting rid of the BBC, the tinpot ditactor he is.

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Agreed whilst Farage has put up a defence it is all talk,there is not a shred of evidence it was a set up with a plant, they conveniently ignore everyone else in the video apart from the actor, are we meant to believe they were all so shocked by the comments they didn't challenge them? That's without mentioning the statements made by other people in the video with well established links to the party.

Nigel Farage is claiming that now they are getting popular the establishment (whatever that is) is being underhand because they are scared of them. In reality the more popular they get the more scrutiny they get, you can't say I should be in the leaders debate in one breath and don't analyze the people and policies that make up the party.

My favorite though is his claim to have done more to damage the far right than anyone else by destroying the BNP, agreed that his various parties did this but they did so by appealing to BNP supporters and accepting them into the fold - not so much destroying the BNP as giving it a new home.