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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:52 pm 
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Of course, they could have Covid and be out. No issues with that. However, my assumption is that they are out because they are a risk due to being near someone that has it and they aren't jabbed. If that is the case they could be out many times and, personally, I'd not be paying players their wages whilst they are out in those circumstances.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. Whilst, from my non-medical background, I'd recommend as many people get the vaccine as possible, I think personal choice is more important. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, it doesn't kill the virus and it doesn't stop you passing it on. It is there to help reduce the symptoms of the individual gets it. Everyone should have personal choice regarding their body, especially athletes. If a player gets a back injury should they not be paid because they've not done enough yoga? What about a muscle injury if they wore the wrong boots? It is going to be fucking annoying missing players I completely get that but the current government rules on isolation are utter nonsense and make little sense, players who have made a personal choice about their health should not be punished financially for it.

The recent anecdotal evidence is that approx 75% of the covid cases in hospital aren't jabbed. So that personal choice is straining the NHS and costing us taxpayers unnecessarily. If people don't want to be jabbed, fine, just don't seek treatment when they get ill. Die at home, freedom lovers.


Totally agree. At the very least, the non-jabbed (through choice, not those who cannot get vaccinated) should be at the very back of the A&E / ambulance / hospital bed queue. Which they are entitled to choose to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:57 pm 
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keyser soze wrote:
cornerdon26 wrote:
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Of course, they could have Covid and be out. No issues with that. However, my assumption is that they are out because they are a risk due to being near someone that has it and they aren't jabbed. If that is the case they could be out many times and, personally, I'd not be paying players their wages whilst they are out in those circumstances.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. Whilst, from my non-medical background, I'd recommend as many people get the vaccine as possible, I think personal choice is more important. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, it doesn't kill the virus and it doesn't stop you passing it on. It is there to help reduce the symptoms of the individual gets it. Everyone should have personal choice regarding their body, especially athletes. If a player gets a back injury should they not be paid because they've not done enough yoga? What about a muscle injury if they wore the wrong boots? It is going to be fucking annoying missing players I completely get that but the current government rules on isolation are utter nonsense and make little sense, players who have made a personal choice about their health should not be punished financially for it.

The recent anecdotal evidence is that approx 75% of the covid cases in hospital aren't jabbed. So that personal choice is straining the NHS and costing us taxpayers unnecessarily. If people don't want to be jabbed, fine, just don't seek treatment when they get ill. Die at home, freedom lovers.

Whilst I sort of agree with you, and for the record I am double jabbed, but would you apply the same logic to other illness/diseases/injuries? For example, should those who are overweight not seek medical treatment for heart disease or heart attacks? What about those who smoke should not get cancer treatment? Or those who drink alcohol not get any treatment for liver or kidney issues? We know all these things can cause significant harm to our bodies and significantly increase the chances of illnesses that may require treatment, yet many of us continue to choose to eat badly, not exercise, drink, smoke etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:34 pm 
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cornerdon26 wrote:
keyser soze wrote:
cornerdon26 wrote:
AB4 wrote:
Of course, they could have Covid and be out. No issues with that. However, my assumption is that they are out because they are a risk due to being near someone that has it and they aren't jabbed. If that is the case they could be out many times and, personally, I'd not be paying players their wages whilst they are out in those circumstances.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. Whilst, from my non-medical background, I'd recommend as many people get the vaccine as possible, I think personal choice is more important. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, it doesn't kill the virus and it doesn't stop you passing it on. It is there to help reduce the symptoms of the individual gets it. Everyone should have personal choice regarding their body, especially athletes. If a player gets a back injury should they not be paid because they've not done enough yoga? What about a muscle injury if they wore the wrong boots? It is going to be fucking annoying missing players I completely get that but the current government rules on isolation are utter nonsense and make little sense, players who have made a personal choice about their health should not be punished financially for it.

The recent anecdotal evidence is that approx 75% of the covid cases in hospital aren't jabbed. So that personal choice is straining the NHS and costing us taxpayers unnecessarily. If people don't want to be jabbed, fine, just don't seek treatment when they get ill. Die at home, freedom lovers.

Whilst I sort of agree with you, and for the record I am double jabbed, but would you apply the same logic to other illness/diseases/injuries? For example, should those who are overweight not seek medical treatment for heart disease or heart attacks? What about those who smoke should not get cancer treatment? Or those who drink alcohol not get any treatment for liver or kidney issues? We know all these things can cause significant harm to our bodies and significantly increase the chances of illnesses that may require treatment, yet many of us continue to choose to eat badly, not exercise, drink, smoke etc.


In a way this is taken account through taxes on alcoholic drinks and tobacco. There could be case to fine those who aren't jabbed so they can pay for the extra strain they are putting on the NHS.

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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:38 pm 
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Agree that it should be a personal choice. No issue with that. However, if that personal choice means you cannot do your job then why should the club suffer?
If I take a sick day at work then I'd be paid. If I took the piss and had several instances they'd eventually stop paying me and I'd go on SSP. Then they'd let me go if my attendance was so poor.
If players will be out several times over a season then whack them on SSP


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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:07 pm 
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So, a question that’s been bugging me throughout this last 20 months of these Covid times…

Who’s actually monitoring the clubs and their policies regarding what appear to be their decisions over players availability, and what sanctions are in place if a club knowingly breaches those guidelines?

How difficult would it have been for us to have got away with selecting those absent players yesterday? There’s no regulatory body checking on clubs as far as I know. We, like our opponents yesterday (who had a widely reported batch of absentees just recently), appear to be playing things by the book. Call me cynical, but I’m guessing there’s clubs out there who are knowingly breaching the rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:11 pm 
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Camdenite wrote:
So, a question that’s been bugging me throughout this last 20 months of these Covid times…

Who’s actually monitoring the clubs and their policies regarding what appear to be their decisions over players availability, and what sanctions are in place if a club knowingly breaches those guidelines?

How difficult would it have been for us to have got away with selecting those absent players yesterday? There’s no regulatory body checking on clubs as far as I know. We, like our opponents yesterday (who had a widely reported batch of absentees just recently), appear to be playing things by the book. Call me cynical, but I’m guessing there’s clubs out there who are knowingly breaching the rules.

Fair point. Come on Dons, we're better than this.

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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:16 pm 
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Lieutenant Dan wrote:
Camdenite wrote:
So, a question that’s been bugging me throughout this last 20 months of these Covid times…

Who’s actually monitoring the clubs and their policies regarding what appear to be their decisions over players availability, and what sanctions are in place if a club knowingly breaches those guidelines?

How difficult would it have been for us to have got away with selecting those absent players yesterday? There’s no regulatory body checking on clubs as far as I know. We, like our opponents yesterday (who had a widely reported batch of absentees just recently), appear to be playing things by the book. Call me cynical, but I’m guessing there’s clubs out there who are knowingly breaching the rules.

Fair point. Come on Dons, we're better than this.


Definitely something that has crossed my mind tbf, but not really mentioned it. Had we selected those players though and it disrupted the side/fixture list etc and made our club look unprofessional and careless on the situation I'd be disappointed because we're better than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:21 pm 
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Alby39 wrote:
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Fair point. Come on Dons, we're better than this.


Definitely something that has crossed my mind tbf, but not really mentioned it. Had we selected those players though and it disrupted the side/fixture list etc and made our club look unprofessional and careless on the situation I'd be disappointed because we're better than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:21 pm 
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Alby39 wrote:
Lieutenant Dan wrote:
Camdenite wrote:
So, a question that’s been bugging me throughout this last 20 months of these Covid times…

Who’s actually monitoring the clubs and their policies regarding what appear to be their decisions over players availability, and what sanctions are in place if a club knowingly breaches those guidelines?

How difficult would it have been for us to have got away with selecting those absent players yesterday? There’s no regulatory body checking on clubs as far as I know. We, like our opponents yesterday (who had a widely reported batch of absentees just recently), appear to be playing things by the book. Call me cynical, but I’m guessing there’s clubs out there who are knowingly breaching the rules.

Fair point. Come on Dons, we're better than this.


Definitely something that has crossed my mind tbf, but not really mentioned it. Had we selected those players though and it disrupted the side/fixture list etc and made our club look unprofessional and careless on the situation I'd be disappointed because we're better than that.


Oh, yes, totally, and I should stress I’m not for one second suggesting we should have done so, but making the point that there seems to be nothing in place to stop a club selecting players who should actually be unavailable under Govt guidelines in place at the time. I’m not saying that there’s managers and chairmen out there that I wouldn’t trust,, but…. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Covid protocols
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 11:23 pm 
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Camdenite wrote:
So, a question that’s been bugging me throughout this last 20 months of these Covid times…

Who’s actually monitoring the clubs and their policies regarding what appear to be their decisions over players availability, and what sanctions are in place if a club knowingly breaches those guidelines?

How difficult would it have been for us to have got away with selecting those absent players yesterday? There’s no regulatory body checking on clubs as far as I know. We, like our opponents yesterday (who had a widely reported batch of absentees just recently), appear to be playing things by the book. Call me cynical, but I’m guessing there’s clubs out there who are knowingly breaching the rules.


My guess is whether the protocols are actually government laws or if they are just EFL protocols/guidelines, no chance we'd risk fucking around with the former.


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