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Depends on what the club are actually announcing, as I said we’re not the only club that does it and my comments from above were the case in 14/15 I think when I went up to the security box.

Every club near enough does it, it’s just that not every club has a premier league stadium with a league one attendance inside

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IMO numbers overall have dropped in terms of actual people in the stadium compared to the announced attendances anyway. If you look back at the highlights of some of those 14/15 season games where we reported similar numbers the crowds do look a bit bigger.

Has to purely be down to these generous free/subsidised ST offers and people simply not coming to lots of games they are entitled to.

It's a whole other conversation though - attracting and retaining fans and improving the matchday experience.

Where do we start?

In all seriousness, I have noticed this season that Club Red has diminished somewhat. Have they congregated in the Cowshed or not bothered coming anymore?

Club Red was consistently 80/90% full a few years ago.

Blocks vary in width, with the corner blocks & the two blocks directly behind each goal having the most seats (753/756/784), with Club Red having the fewest due to the reduced number of seats per row and the effect of the tunnel & dugouts (529)
See below - I think the numbers in brackets for each block are the numbers of seats, while the larger number also includes the disabled seating on the concourse.


There were more people than usual in the Cowshed today.

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We've had this thread a million times. I'm sick of it.

Only it's usually been when some AFC cnut, or some other hostile, has been having a dig. We have a massive ground compared to most L1 teams and we're spread out to all corners. It's not surprising that we look like we have less than we do.

Filthy, you say "it just makes us look silly". I say you're just feeding the haters.

If we said attendance wasn't 7,306, because some of the ST holders didn't turn up, it was only 7,067, the only people that would give shit would be KFC and their fellow travelers.

(Plus, you're ignoring the thousands of people who turned up with free tickets that Winkie gave away.)

I'm done with this now. Wake me up when we stop this idiotic self-flagellation.

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I don't need your ill-informed, half-baked, idiotic opinions. I have plenty of those myself.

I just want the club to be transparent with this sort of thing. Why inflate the figures? Who are the club trying to impress?

Our actual physical attendances are probably 20%-30% less in home areas than we report. Only takes a quick look at that stadium map and a photo of the game during the match to see that.

We know how much other fans love to capitalise on anything 'fake' we do, and this is self-inflicted.

Really it's just avoiding that awkward realisation that our home support is poorer than we think (which is poor anyway!).

It would be so easy to just give the accurate figures considering everyone has to scan their cards. They will know exactly how many people have entered (for safety reasons more than anything).

Ultimately the club needs to work harder to improve support and attendance - find out why ST holders aren't turning up week in week out and improve the matchday experience.

Say we have 6k season ticket holders, regardless of whether they turn up, considering the value of the season ticket is calculated per game those tickets have still been sold. The only difference is 6k say fans pay for each game In a one off payment, so whether they turn up is irrelevant as that ticket and seat has been sold for that game.

Part of the reason non attendees are included in the figure is for tax purposes and accounts. If we don't include those sold season ticket seats we may come under fire for incorrect sales figures when it comes to the accounts.

Anyway who cares who turns up, the only thing that matters is x amount of seats have been purchased and that figure when accounted for In attendance figures is fact.

You're talking about two different things - revenue from ticket sales, and attendance.

I'm sure the reporting of revenue from season tickets, on the day sales etc is perfectly accurate. It's the attendances (i.e. people that actually turn up inside the stadium on the day) that isn't.

HMRC don't care about attendees - they care that the books tally up. If the club report x amount of season ticket sales in their accounts, as long as the money matches that's all that matters. If attendance numbers mattered to accountants, the amount of free/subsidised tickets we give away would be difficult to explain.

Do you think there are people with clickers counting people coming in for accurate attendance or do they count tickets sold plus season tickets sold.
It's data not actual counting of people, end of discussion.

No, they have barcode scanners at the turnstiles to accurately count the people coming in, season ticket holder or not. The 'data' they report doesn't reflect reality, however they're currently totting it up.