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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:53 am 
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Well he might just have turned out to be the best if he hadn't had the rug pulled from under his feet before he'd got them under the table.

Five months and one window for a man who'd given you a clear demonstration of his abilities at the end of last season was a ridiculously short time. Perhaps he would have proved to be the worst but a manager/coach, particularly one who has had recent success, cannot be judged fairly over such a brief period.


You're a Sunderland fan, right? Could the same not have been said for Grayson? Proven for years in The Championship and League One he was capable and sufficient at that level. Sacked after a dismal run and poor start.
Same for Parkinson. Even Lee Johnson. All proven and experienced at the level you were at and sacked because they'd underperformed regardless where they'd done well beforehand. Sometimes that's all it is. If someone told you that you were stupid to sack those, you'd probably argue why they were right to go, no? I mean, I'm don't know your views on any of those managers so I'm just assuming but it isn't always as easy as that.

I like Lindsey and wouldn't have sacked him but it was clearly becoming untenable. We weren't exactly a side who'd just got promoted and a poor run that leaves us in the lower part of mid table is still better than where we have been. It's a crap position playing crap football.


I appreciate your point. I wasn't happy when any of the three you mention were appointed so was pleased when they left. Grayson was given even less time than Lindsey but the other two both had over a year and two windows. Johnson I have a particular disdain for and was fuming when he was appointed.

But Lindsey was such a popular choice and his success was just months ago. It's impossible to know whether he would have proved successful if given time. One of my favourite hobby-horses is managers being appointed because they were successful a long time ago who have failed miserably in recent years, but that didn't apply to Lindsey.

Anyway I hope whoever comes in can hit the ground running as I'm an interested party regarding MK Dons this season.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:00 am 
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Nobody can hold a candle to Nielson for being the worst manager, his reign was a fucking nightmare

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:04 am 
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Nobody can hold a candle to Nielson for being the worst manager, his reign was a fucking nightmare


Aye and I backed you ante-post 2017-18 when he was in charge too. Milton Keynes hasn't been a happy hunting ground for me.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:33 pm 
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Not even close.

Neilson is first, second and third in that list all on his own.

An utterly miserable time during his tenure that makes the current situation looks positively positive!!


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Roker mate, I hear what you say. Yup it started well and I was as enthusiastic as anyone else. But.....if you had been at the games before Xmas and the last 8 or so you knew, you just knew it wasn't going to work.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:02 pm 
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Most of the other names suggested were in League One, a 31% win record and stuck in 17th in League Two.

Also the other owners had to deal with an owner who apparently didn't invest...


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Most of the other names suggested were in League One, a 31% win record and stuck in 17th in League Two.

Also the other owners had to deal with an owner who apparently didn't invest...


Mate, with the greatest of respect (And I am not doing the "bigger fan because I'm local thing) you're on the other side of the world. You were in the ground on an almost weekly basis under Neilson and you remember how sour the time was at MK Dons under him. You aren't atm, and whilst it's not nice, in fact it's dreadful, it's not a patch on a weekly basis than what it was then. Granted, it's a League lower and way down the division but the mood is more positive in the sense of stability and long term belief of resolution. I can imagine it's mind numbing, if not more so for you waking up at silly o'clock, but I genuinely felt the toxicity was almost irreparable at that time. This feels more of a "get the season done with" kinda thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:18 pm 
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Alby39 wrote:
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Most of the other names suggested were in League One, a 31% win record and stuck in 17th in League Two.

Also the other owners had to deal with an owner who apparently didn't invest...


Mate, with the greatest of respect (And I am not doing the "bigger fan because I'm local thing) you're on the other side of the world. You were in the ground on an almost weekly basis under Neilson and you remember how sour the time was at MK Dons under him. You aren't atm, and whilst it's not nice, in fact it's dreadful, it's not a patch on a weekly basis than what it was then. Granted, it's a League lower and way down the division but the mood is more positive in the sense of stability and long term belief of resolution. I can imagine it's mind numbing, if not more so for you waking up at silly o'clock, but I genuinely felt the toxicity was almost irreparable at that time. This feels more of a "get the season done with" kinda thing.

Oh I completely get that, I do not feel the emotion or atmosphere that you do. I actually agree with you, I think Nielsen is the worst thing to happen to the club and I continue to think that way. I was more throwing out the question out there about Lindsey as a bit of discussion, rather than my opinion. But you are definitely right, the mood of the club is as important as the actual results. Bruce may have done better statistically at Newcastle than some managers, but the vibe was so bad it didn't matter.

Out of curiosity, do you think it isn't quite as toxic and Lindsey has been backed more by supporters more due to the circumstances rather than performances? Nielsen came in after a fan favourite and 5+ year of relative stability and after finally tasting the Championship, whereas Lindsey has come in after two managers largely disliked by the fan base, a increasingly detached fan base and a reduced sense of optimism on the pitch. We expected to be better in L1 now our fan base is almost accepting we are shit right now. We almost just wanted someone to believe in and were more forgiving


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:58 pm 
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Looking back now it's done and I can outright compare the two, I think many (Including me) believed it'd eventually come around, and it's just a case of waiting for the season to dwindle and let the man who has overseen a disaster (Which isn't solely his fault) sort it. He's a smart man, who has backing and a proven track record of turning around sour atmospheres into positives long term.
Neilson to me was the opposite. Whilst it was pretty mid when he came in - and let's not forget "mid" is kindly putting it. It was nigh on terrible under Robbo at that point, a lot of what went wrong was arrogant and self inflicted.
He did many a thing the Supporters couldn't remotely buy into, and it almost felt like self sabotage - and once he left he acted like he was blameless and it was an atmosphere around the club such as appreciating fans after games that was the reasons we were being held back, not his tactics. Continued to act like the sun shone out his arse and said things that you'd be baffled by, and raise an eyebrow to. A difficult man to rally around. I think Lindsey was a man you could get behind, just a shame he tactically had us on our arse for the final few months.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 2:00 am 
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That's a fair review

I do personally think, and as you can it's hard for me to tell because I'm not there, Lindsey's managerial performance was criticised a bit less because of the dud GA and the charismalless Williamson. He seemed like a good guy and had a good demeanour to him, meaning some fans let the performances on the field slide a little


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