THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

If 1.2% of those claiming benefits can be considered significant, then it's a significant number. Because according to https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud that's the significant number of fraudsters that take advantage of the welfare system.

Anyway. I'm done debating this before it's even gotten fully started. Much more comfortable telling everyone how brilliant my musical taste is. However I'll say this before I leave this thread. What a national disgrace it is that as a developed country we even have such things as foodbanks in the 21st century. What's more, it's even more of a disgrace that working folk are having to use them in order to get by. What's even more of a disgrace is that nurses are having to use them. The same nurses that we were encouraged to clap for every Thursday evening not but three years ago. This government, and I'm using the word 'government' under advisement here, are nothing short of an international disgrace themselves. Happy to fast track PPE contracts to their cronies, or in one case a friend who's only experience of PPE was running a pub. But let's ignore their many, many faults and blame the working class, or better still those, through no fault of their own, are unable to work.

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When you make your music, do you think about the man in the street? No, I've met the man in the street. He's a Ladybit.

Give us some facts to back up your Daily Mail driven drivel. But you won’t. Because you can’t.

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I don't need your ill-informed, half-baked, idiotic opinions. I have plenty of those myself.

My dear chap do you honestly believe that nobody abuses our welfare and charity systems. Do you really believe that every person who goes to a food bank actually needs the food. You can't possibly be that naive.

How many abuse it? 1%? 10%? 90%? Facts, not drivel.

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I don't need your ill-informed, half-baked, idiotic opinions. I have plenty of those myself.

I get the feeling that Donmentor has never had to visit a foodbank or ever volunteered to support a foodbank. It is very easy to be so cynical and despairing when it is a vaguely alien concept, but once you've been to one in person, and spoken to those who need to use them you quickly learn how much it pains them that they need the foodbank's support.

Yes, some folks might take advantage - but I can tell you from 1st hand experience that they are few are far between.

In my experience people using food banks absolutely need to do so, even people in work are having to use these facilities due to exceptional increases in costs of just about everything, the majority don’t want to use them, but have no option.

I’d just like to add, donate if you can, volunteer if you can

Thank you to Ormeau and Scribble for returning some humanity to this thread.

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I don't need your ill-informed, half-baked, idiotic opinions. I have plenty of those myself.

Please stop twisting my comment. I am not decrying food banks in any way. Just the people who misuse
them. And there certainly are some who do, it may or may not be many, but there are some.

But raising it as an issue implies there is widespread abuse. And there is nothing, NOTHING, to indicate that’s true. The real issue is that so many more people need food banks, NOT that a tiny percentage abuse them. FFS get real.

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I don't need your ill-informed, half-baked, idiotic opinions. I have plenty of those myself.

The overall percentage of benefit fraud, according to government statistics, is 1.2%. actually it's less than that, but they round it up to 1.2 as that's easier. So that's ALL benefit fraud, including those who are in full time employment but fraudulently claim benefits. Social housing fraud. Part time employed that play the system. The supposed 'under class' who have absolutely no intention of ever working. These are David Cameron's folk who were asleep as others went to work. Etc, etc, etc. It goes on with a sliding scale, until you arrive at those who walk into foodbanks for 'free' food.

So I guess technically he's correct. But it's a hell of a hill to die on.

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When you make your music, do you think about the man in the street? No, I've met the man in the street. He's a Ladybit.