THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

For those interested: the way I’ve always understood it is …. If a club activate a release clause with a full cash upfront bid and no future instalments to trigger the required fee then any sale is out of the parent clubs control. However if there is an agreement in principal with the player that he has a valuation that will be honoured if met and then the buying club meet that valuation with a bid made up of an initial payment, then future instalments then the parent club is within their right to negotiate further a deal that suits them within that agreed cash valuation.

So example:

Example 1:

Player has 1.5 mil release clause

Celtic bid 1.5 mil in cash

We then have no grounds to negotiate

Example 2

Player has 1.5 mil release clause

Celtic bid 300k up front with 1.2 mil to be paid with future instalments in 6 month instalments of 300k over 24 months

We can then negotiate within the value terms on how much is paid in whatever instalment intervals we like as well as asking for a sell on percentage included for any future sale. The reason Celtic may allow us to include such a clause is due to our leverage of allowing them a longer or reduced instalment grace period so they are able to manage their cash flow better.

I have no idea what terms have been met. The only info I have is that the fee was not paid in full upfront. So to my understanding if my grasp on the way things used to work is still relevant in the modern game then we have grounds to negotiate a package that suits both parties within a cash paid value that meets the release clause.

Note that any sell on percentage clause and the players perceived future value in no way has any effect on the amount of cash that needs to be paid overall however it is often used as a bargaining chip to allow a more manageable grace period for the selling club to have finished their instalments as well as a potentially lower up front fee.

Hope this helps.

Your wish is my command https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/sport/fo ... ns-3550757

Also worth noting the player signed a 4.5 year contract which will only add to his future value and celtics ability to demand his true value. Expect him to be sold in 2 years time if he maintains this kind of form as he will likely have his sights on a move back to England and Celtic won’t want to devalue him holding on any longer and risk his contract running down. 2-2.5 years would be the optimum time for Celtic to cash in if no silly bids come in within the next 18 months

Lovely stuff cheers! If the rumoured figures for healey are true (£30 million) and o’riley reaches his potential we could be £10 million pound better off!

Phew.

I think those of us that question whether we have sell-ons and clauses for the deals just need to accept Lord Sweeting has it all covered.

Wonder how Fulham factor in to this though - they got 50% of the fee, does that mean they'll get 50% of any of our cuts from future deals? E.g. if we get 20% of any sale by Celtic, they'd get 50% of that 20%. Eeek.

Not something to get caught up in now, it's all a long way off.

Just chill on the money side of things guys. The future is bright.

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Matt has just come on an assist already.. Ker bloody ching...

From Celtics forum.

Celtic's Matt O'Riley reveals what he needed for his head
There has been plenty that Matt O'Riley has crammed into his first three weeks as a Celtic playe




He has featured in five straight games played for Ange Postecoglou’s men since his £1.5million switch from English’s Leage One side MK Dons, four of them as a starter. The 21-year-old playmaker has helped his new club to their first derby success in two years. He has been central to them hitting the front of the cinch Premiership pack as they have extended their unbeaten league run to 20 games, with O’Riley knowing only winning feelings in his time. And, on Wednesday, just for good measure, the player claimed his first goal in Celtic colours, in an edgy 3-2 success away at Aberdeen in which he also contributed an assist.

There has only been one feature missing from O’Riley’s supposed assimilation period: a less than impressive performance. Such has been the craft and excellence he has exhibited from the early minutes of his debut in the testing environment of Tynecastle, it feels like he has lived before in his current posting so at one is he with it. The Londoner, who has been bug-eyed over the sense of scale and spectacle of what he has experienced already in Scotland, confesses his early outings have presented challenges that wouldn’t necessarily be evident to outsiders, though.




“I think everyone gets nervous, some people show it more than others,” O’Riley said. “The first game against Hearts I was a bit more nervous just because it was my first game for a new club but once the game starts I feel fine, I feel more than ready to contribute. The more games you play the more confident you feel, and I feel really good at the moment. I find it easier to play with better players. I know when they want the ball and when they are going to give me the ball, so in that sense I found it easier to adapt. Some of the opposition are obviously tougher than in League One at times, like Rangers for example. But when you have good players around you it makes it easy and off the pitch as well. Everyone is just genuinely really nice, which has made it really easy for me.”



O’Riley doesn’t deny that a first goal meant a weight off his mind. The player isn’t then likely to be untroubled that he made it 2-0 for Celtic early on at Pittodrie – four minutes after Jota netted from his sweeping cross that caused havoc in the home backline – with a snapshot that deflected wickedly off David Bates. "Obviously I am delighted,” he said. “I missed one chance against Dundee United [a week and a half ago], a really good one, which was playing at the back of mind a little bit. So I said before the game that I could do with scoring just for my own head and fortunately it happened. It was amazing, it was also in front of [the section] with our fans, which always makes it better. I am not too fussed about goals as long as we are winning, that's the main thing for me. Of course it is nice to get contributions yourself. But three points is the main thing, honestly."


I cannot believe he will stay in Scotland for very long. I am sure he will move to the premiere league sooner rather than later. Just need to keep his head.

Celtic went out tonight to Norwegian champs Bodo/Glimt. The BBC rating for him was 2.66. The Norwegian champions dumped the Scots out of the Europa Conference League 5-1 on aggregate. Hopefully this will be a learning point for the lad.

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He shouldn't be too despondent, his team have made history. Celtic are the first team to be knocked out of The Champions League, Europa League and the Europa Conference in the same season.

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