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Aliramone
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:08 pm 
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keyser soze wrote:
donmentor wrote:
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You do realize of course that AI is just a new fangled buzz concept, designed to impress the gullible masses. All these so called 'intelligent' software schemes are programmer generated and are merely applying logic routines designed by human programmers, not any magic of computer operating systems.

Computers do not think, merely carry out instructions.

That doesn’t necessarily stop them coming up with better results than humans. Look at the AI programmes for detecting breast cancer from scans.


Still only working from human instructions, not any artificial intelligence.

Some people working in AI hate the term AI as it's misleading. However, you are underestimating the power of machine learning. From wiki: "Machine learning (ML) is a field of study in artificial intelligence concerned with the development and study of statistical algorithms that can learn from data and generalize to unseen data, and thus perform tasks without explicit instructions."

Without instructions.


But still within parameters input by humans.

For now. 8-)

So you are both right? :?
Frightfully interesting this tech stuff.....

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donmentor
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:53 pm 
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keyser soze wrote:
donmentor wrote:
keyser soze wrote:
donmentor wrote:
epdon wrote:
donmentor wrote:
You do realize of course that AI is just a new fangled buzz concept, designed to impress the gullible masses. All these so called 'intelligent' software schemes are programmer generated and are merely applying logic routines designed by human programmers, not any magic of computer operating systems.

Computers do not think, merely carry out instructions.

That doesn’t necessarily stop them coming up with better results than humans. Look at the AI programmes for detecting breast cancer from scans.


Still only working from human instructions, not any artificial intelligence.

Some people working in AI hate the term AI as it's misleading. However, you are underestimating the power of machine learning. From wiki: "Machine learning (ML) is a field of study in artificial intelligence concerned with the development and study of statistical algorithms that can learn from data and generalize to unseen data, and thus perform tasks without explicit instructions."

Without instructions.


But still within parameters input by humans.

For now. 8-)


That reminds me of a science fiction story I read many years ago. It concerned a team of scientist who tried to build a machine ( computer as we call it now ) to answer the question 'Is there a God ?'. They finished and started the machine and ask the question. The control panel immediately completely froze and a voice boomed " There is now " !!! :shock:
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keyser soze
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:49 pm 
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donmentor wrote:
keyser soze wrote:
donmentor wrote:
keyser soze wrote:
donmentor wrote:
epdon wrote:
donmentor wrote:
You do realize of course that AI is just a new fangled buzz concept, designed to impress the gullible masses. All these so called 'intelligent' software schemes are programmer generated and are merely applying logic routines designed by human programmers, not any magic of computer operating systems.

Computers do not think, merely carry out instructions.

That doesn’t necessarily stop them coming up with better results than humans. Look at the AI programmes for detecting breast cancer from scans.


Still only working from human instructions, not any artificial intelligence.

Some people working in AI hate the term AI as it's misleading. However, you are underestimating the power of machine learning. From wiki: "Machine learning (ML) is a field of study in artificial intelligence concerned with the development and study of statistical algorithms that can learn from data and generalize to unseen data, and thus perform tasks without explicit instructions."

Without instructions.


But still within parameters input by humans.

For now. 8-)


That reminds me of a science fiction story I read many years ago. It concerned a team of scientist who tried to build a machine ( computer as we call it now ) to answer the question 'Is there a God ?'. They finished and started the machine and ask the question. The control panel immediately completely froze and a voice boomed " There is now " !!! :shock:

I'm sure I read that when I was a kid. In a collection of famous SF short stories? It certainly struck a chord!

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Aliramone
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
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I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??

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donmentor
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
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Aliramone wrote:
I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??


Asimov was certainly the best SF writer of all time with his Foundation series and Robot stories, but I think this one is more likely to be Clarke or Bradbury.
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donmentor
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
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donmentor wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??


Asimov was certainly the best SF writer of all time with his Foundation series and Robot stories, but I think this one is more likely to be Clarke or Bradbury.


Nope, it was written by Frederick Brown in 1954.
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donmentor
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:40 am 
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Here is the actual original story. Quite short really.


Dwan Ev ceremoniously soldered the final connection with gold. The eyes of a dozen television cameras watched him and the subether bore throughout the universe a dozen pictures of what he was doing.
He straightened and nodded to Dwar Reyn, then moved to a position beside the switch that would complete the contact when he threw it. The switch that would connect, all at once, all of the monster computing machines of all the populated planets in the universe -- ninety-six billion planets -- into the supercircuit that would connect them all into one supercalculator, one cybernetics machine that would combine all the knowledge of all the galaxies.
Dwar Reyn spoke briefly to the watching and listening trillions. Then after a moment's silence he said, "Now, Dwar Ev."
Dwar Ev threw the switch. There was a mighty hum, the surge of power from ninety-six billion planets. Lights flashed and quieted along the miles-long panel.
Dwar Ev stepped back and drew a deep breath. "The honor of asking the first question is yours, Dwar Reyn."
"Thank you," said Dwar Reyn. "It shall be a question which no single cybernetics machine has been able to answer."
He turned to face the machine. "Is there a God?"
The mighty voice answered without hesitation, without the clicking of a single relay.
"Yes, now there is a God."
Sudden fear flashed on the face of Dwar Ev. He leaped to grab the switch.
A bolt of lightning from the cloudless sky struck him down and fused the switch shut.
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Steampunk Don
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:06 pm 
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Aliramone wrote:
I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??

Let me give it some 'Deep Thought'..... 8-)

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Aliramone
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:26 pm 
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Steampunk Don wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??

Let me give it some 'Deep Thought'..... 8-)

Wasn't that a porn film?

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donmentor
 Post subject: Re: TacticalAI
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Steampunk Don wrote:
Aliramone wrote:
I'm a big fan of SF.
I recognise that story.
Could have been Asimov or Arthur C Clarke??

Let me give it some 'Deep Thought'..... 8-)


Perhaps Douglas Adams read the above story. Could have given him the idea for Deep Thought.
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