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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:05 pm 
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Camdenite wrote:
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Does anyone know what the tactical advantages of using 2 players to take a short corner is? They try and dribble into an already congested area or Payne whips in a cross that's cleared before the near post?


The 82 suggest you're born in 1982 and of the belief a cross into the box guarantees a goal.

In world football less than 1% of corners that are crossed into the box are scored, I'm not sure about you, but I don't like them odds


That may well be true but according to Opta, therefore based on the EPL, something like 13 to 14% of all goals come from a corner situation so not to be sniffed at. The numbers will be low as football per se is a relatively low scoring sport at the highest level.

the conversion rate is something like a goal every 11 corners with the top teams averaging around 8 corners a game, its worth around a goal every game and a half.


Watch the video above. That figure includes corners that are passed around without the opposition turning over possession. You, I suspect, are only thinking of the big centre half “getting his noggin on it”. That, a direct one touch and a goal, type of corner rarely results in a goal.


Nope, that why I wrote corner situation. I think in play crosses and static corners are very different. My suspicion is that teams work on defending corners more than attacking them. when everyone is 6ft 2 and almost all position themselves in the six yard box, its no surprise that goals direct from a corner kick are quite hard to come by.

edit: I just watched the vid and I have seen that before and liked it. It kind of proves the point. Getting a corner right whether its the traditional whack it in or go shorter and move the opposition around a bit does result in a sizeable amount of goals according to Opta in the EPL. I believe the 13 to 14% of all goals includes the kind of corner that the video describes.


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:56 pm 
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Camdenite wrote:
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/notts-county-luke-williams-league-two-short-corner-040572-20231124

(I’ll keep posting this! :lol: )


Love it. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:58 pm 
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Camdenite wrote:
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/notts-county-luke-williams-league-two-short-corner-040572-20231124

(I’ll keep posting this! :lol: )

Yeah, but is that goal really from a corner? Over 2 minutes passed between them taking the corner and them scoring. It's simply as a result of maintaining posession. The corner is irrelevant. I like Luke Williams, but on this occasion I think he's talking bollocks.


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:46 pm 
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In world football less than 1% of corners that are crossed into the box are scored, I'm not sure about you, but I don't like them odds

I reckon we have been a major contributor to that statistic.... :(

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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:58 am 
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How many times do you see teams surrender a goal or card ehen taking a direct corner and the defending team breaking quickly? Personally id rather maintain discipline, move the opposition around with short probing passes and patience than a direct delivery into a box that a technical team doesnt stand a chance of winning against an opposition defence and subsequently risking getting a card from a professional foul or giving up a goal on the break.


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:49 am 
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Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How many times do you see teams surrender a goal or card ehen taking a direct corner and the defending team breaking quickly? Personally id rather maintain discipline, move the opposition around with short probing passes and patience than a direct delivery into a box that a technical team doesnt stand a chance of winning against an opposition defence and subsequently risking getting a card from a professional foul or giving up a goal on the break.


I agree, I am all for short corners as mentioned in the original post but we seem to just be giving the ball straight back to them every time.


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:41 pm 
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Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How many times do you see teams surrender a goal or card ehen taking a direct corner and the defending team breaking quickly? Personally id rather maintain discipline, move the opposition around with short probing passes and patience than a direct delivery into a box that a technical team doesnt stand a chance of winning against an opposition defence and subsequently risking getting a card from a professional foul or giving up a goal on the break.


I'm on my second (large) glass of red. Can you break that down into simple statements for me please. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Corners
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Aliramone wrote:
Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How many times do you see teams surrender a goal or card ehen taking a direct corner and the defending team breaking quickly? Personally id rather maintain discipline, move the opposition around with short probing passes and patience than a direct delivery into a box that a technical team doesnt stand a chance of winning against an opposition defence and subsequently risking getting a card from a professional foul or giving up a goal on the break.

I'm on my second (large) glass of red. Can you break that down into simple statements for me please. :oops:

At least you recognise that the drinking is the corrs of you not understanding all the talk on corners.


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
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Aliramone wrote:
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In world football less than 1% of corners that are crossed into the box are scored, I'm not sure about you, but I don't like them odds

I reckon we have been a major contributor to that statistic.... :(


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 Post subject: Re: Corners
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:10 pm 
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Aliramone wrote:
Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How many times do you see teams surrender a goal or card ehen taking a direct corner and the defending team breaking quickly? Personally id rather maintain discipline, move the opposition around with short probing passes and patience than a direct delivery into a box that a technical team doesnt stand a chance of winning against an opposition defence and subsequently risking getting a card from a professional foul or giving up a goal on the break.

I'm on my second (large) glass of red. Can you break that down into simple statements for me please. :oops:

At least you recognise that the drinking is the corrs of you not understanding all the talk on corners.

What's Jim Morrison's band got to do with anything?

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