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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:32 pm 
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rosie47 wrote:
i think there's a balance. i agree neilson leaned too far one way but robbo's teams sometimes clearly lacked physicality and speed - most notably when we had williams and kay at centre-back and a lack of penetration up front (which is why i always thought powell was an asset).

finding a few players (mcfadzean, dele, afobe) who could fit into the passing philosophy but also gave us a bit more pace and/or power was the turning point. problem is they're very difficult to get.

Agree completely. Getting a bit muddled as I thought that's what I was saying yesterday and we seemed to disagree about it. Anyway, we're totally on the same page today. I think. All getting very confusing. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:05 am 
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wouldn’t be the first time i’ve misunderstood so apologies if so! it was so much easier when these conversations in the pub...


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 am 
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rosie47 wrote:
wouldn’t be the first time i’ve misunderstood so apologies if so! It was so much easier when these conversations in the pub...

... And more fun (hic!)


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:57 am 
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Didn't Neilson suggest the introduction of the u23s/reserve team or whatever it is? That is surely a positive.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:12 am 
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Silverous wrote:
Didn't Neilson suggest the introduction of the u23s/reserve team or whatever it is? That is surely a positive.


No, that was always going to happen*. KR had been lobbying for it for years. Eventually he got it as far as having an u21’s squad that would play ad hoc fixtures (rather than enter a league) last season under Mike Dove. They never really played as many games as hoped and that led to the entry to the Central League for this season. RN was the beneficiary rather than the Catalyst for that change.

*-the only caveat being that Robbie Neilson could feasibly have said “no, I’m going to trim the number of academy kids graduating and sign an extra first team player or two”.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:42 am 
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The Posh game will forever be up there with my top memories. In some ways even more so than Man U, because I expected a routing against Posh with 11 men and even more so with 10 and then 9. Still bringing shivers just remembering.

When we look back on the Neilson era in say 5 years I wonder if we will also credit him with a clearout of the old guard who had become too comfortable under KR.

The only one I think was a big mistake to let go was Potter, he would have brought the steadying hand to the youngsters. I remember Lewie saying when he was being interviewed about his new contract at the beginning of the season, that the team would miss Potter the most because he was the arm round the shoulder guy to boost players up again when Lewie had been stern with them.

PS - that does assume that Potter would not have also been sidelined.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:52 am 
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Camdenite wrote:
He gave us Budapest. That was enough for me. :D



This.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:47 am 
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leodon wrote:
The Posh game will forever be up there with my top memories. In some ways even more so than Man U, because I expected a routing against Posh with 11 men and even more so with 10 and then 9. Still bringing shivers just remembering.

When we look back on the Neilson era in say 5 years I wonder if we will also credit him with a clearout of the old guard who had become too comfortable under KR.

The only one I think was a big mistake to let go was Potter, he would have brought the steadying hand to the youngsters. I remember Lewie saying when he was being interviewed about his new contract at the beginning of the season, that the team would miss Potter the most because he was the arm round the shoulder guy to boost players up again when Lewie had been stern with them.

PS - that does assume that Potter would not have also been sidelined.


This seems right to me. Getting rid of the old guard was never going to be make him popular, but that's clearly what Pete brought him in to do, and it's what had to be done. Certainly it wasn't perfect, but Robbie was willing to get his hands dirty so that his successor has a younger, fresher squad, and we should be tankful for that.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:17 pm 
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Friends, fans, Donsmen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Robbie, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Robbie. The noble Filthy
Hath told you Robbie was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Robbie answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Filthy and the rest–
For Filthy is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Robbie’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Filthy says he was ambitious;
And Filthy is an honourable man.
He hath brought many points home to MK
Whose ransoms did the League One table fill:
Did this in Robbie seem ambitious?
When that the Dons have cried, Robbie hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Filthy says he was ambitious;
And Filthy is an honourable man.
You all did see that at Stadium MK
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Filthy says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Filthy spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Robbie,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

Also he beat the Posh with 9 men, set up the under 23s, saved us from near certain relegation, won at home, won at AFC and signed O'Keefe who scored with his arse.


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 Post subject: Re: The Neilson Era
PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:45 pm 
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He's airbrushed from history a la 1984.

It was a bright cold day in January and the clocks were striking thirteen.
Dan Micciche was the MK Dons manager.
Dan Micichiche had always been the MK Dons manager. :ugeek:

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