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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:02 pm 
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Only 2 teams in league 1 won last weekend with possession less than 505, one was 49% (hardly significant) and the other surprising was Wigan with 42%. The trouble with hoofball is that more than likely you are just giving the ball to the opposition and that is true in any league.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:18 pm 
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rosie47 wrote:
Results matter to you. other people have other preferences - like the team having an identity and principles . and we did go and get promoted playing robboball.

the idea that only rich teams can do it has been proven wrong repeatedly. nearly all the teams that have risen through the leagues rapidly - swansea, southampton, bournemouth, huddersfield - have committed themselves to a progressive style of play.

i don’t doubt that grayson would get us up the right end of league one. then what? we don’t have more money than the countless clubs in the championship and league one playing in a similar way to his teams, so how will we beat them? if the ceiling of our ambition is to be the next preston, what’s the point?

Interested by two choices of terms in that post:
1. As we are discussing style of play, you seem to be stating that playing a passing style makes us more "principled". Does that mean you think the big clubs in each country are more principled than the smaller clubs, and that the farther down the league you go the less principled they become as they play an ever decreasingly technical game and much more pragmatic?
2. You ask what's the point of becoming a team like Preston? Well, Preston are basically the same as most teams outside the biggest 10 or 20 in England? So you are basically dismissing most clubs in England, and most football clubs in general. What on earth would be unprincipled about doing what almost every other club does, trying to win games in a perfectly legal but slightly more pragmatic way?
I don't want us to just hoof the ball. I hate Tony Pulis. But there's a big gulf between the Robbo and Pulis styles, so what's wrong with searching for that balance?


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:24 pm 
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Galverion wrote:
mightydons wrote:
Galverion wrote:
Latest Daily Mail article (2 hours ago) says Grayson is being "strongly linked"

I would be happy, he has a very good track record. What we need now is an experienced manager.


I knew you were a daily mail reader, I knew it :lol:


Ha ha !

You cannot beat Richard Littlejohn !


I see the leftie Richard Branson has reversed his decision to ban the Mail on his trains.....whether you like the Mail or not, the last thing we want is censorship. And the last thing we want is a nation of Guardian readers :lol:

Anyone who thinks Richard Branson is a leftie shouldn't be too worried about ending up with a nation of Guardian readers.
I'd keep on taking the pills if I were you mate.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:59 pm 
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BertieWoostersDonsClub wrote:
1. As we are discussing style of play, you seem to be stating that playing a passing style makes us more "principled". Does that mean you think the big clubs in each country are more principled than the smaller clubs, and that the farther down the league you go the less principled they become as they play an ever decreasingly technical game and much more pragmatic?

no, i'm talking about setting out a specific way of doing something and sticking with it through bad times as well as good.

what those principles are can vary from case to case. luckily for me, our club has generally aligned with my personal ideals (progressive football and young, local talent given a chance).

however, that said...

BertieWoostersDonsClub wrote:
2. You ask what's the point of becoming a team like Preston? Well, Preston are basically the same as most teams outside the biggest 10 or 20 in England? So you are basically dismissing most clubs in England, and most football clubs in general. What on earth would be unprincipled about doing what almost every other club does, trying to win games in a perfectly legal but slightly more pragmatic way?

...yes, i totally believe a large number of clubs in the football league are insular, lacking ambition and primarily interested in self-preservation. that's partly down to the way the football league is as a system and partly just a cultural thing in england. luckily, the fact that it has become readily apparent at the top level that a lot of other countries are much smarter than us is starting to trickle down the pyramid.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:44 pm 
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rosie47 wrote:
BertieWoostersDonsClub wrote:
1. As we are discussing style of play, you seem to be stating that playing a passing style makes us more "principled". Does that mean you think the big clubs in each country are more principled than the smaller clubs, and that the farther down the league you go the less principled they become as they play an ever decreasingly technical game and much more pragmatic?

no, i'm talking about setting out a specific way of doing something and sticking with it through bad times as well as good.

what those principles are can vary from case to case. luckily for me, our club has generally aligned with my personal ideals (progressive football and young, local talent given a chance).

however, that said...

BertieWoostersDonsClub wrote:
2. You ask what's the point of becoming a team like Preston? Well, Preston are basically the same as most teams outside the biggest 10 or 20 in England? So you are basically dismissing most clubs in England, and most football clubs in general. What on earth would be unprincipled about doing what almost every other club does, trying to win games in a perfectly legal but slightly more pragmatic way?

...yes, i totally believe a large number of clubs in the football league are insular, lacking ambition and primarily interested in self-preservation. that's partly down to the way the football league is as a system and partly just a cultural thing in england. luckily, the fact that it has become readily apparent at the top level that a lot of other countries are much smarter than us is starting to trickle down the pyramid.

Good answers. Fundamentally I completely agree with you. When I'm watching neutral games I'm a complete idealist and favour style over substance. It's just when it comes to The Dons I get less idealistic and more pragmatic and worry more about results, league positions, etc. Wish I didn't but can't help it.


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