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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:23 pm 
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I see posters on here saying the Simon Grayson plays hoofball. If so called "hoofball" is played correctly with the right players it is very exciting to watch.
They said that the style Graham Taylor played in his first spell at Watford, would be called by some hoofball.
I had a season ticket at Watford in those days and it was great!
GT played 4-2-4 at the time, today it would probably be called 4-2-1-3.
You need two wingers a big center forward and a smaller striker along side.
Also two strong tacklers in midfield and defenders who can distribute the ball well.
Players had to be fit and disciplined and also do their jobs properly, it beats tippy, tappy lets go sideways any day.
Fans want to see goals and goalmouth action, not twenty passes in midfield and nothing at the end of it.
If Simon Grayson wants to play direct then bring it on!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:24 pm 
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On Anglia news it said he has ruled himself out


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:40 pm 
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Not good news as would have been the ideal manager for our situation.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:45 pm 
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kawasakitwin wrote:
Players had to be fit and disciplined and also do their jobs properly, it beats tippy, tappy lets go sideways any day.

this is a complete straw man though. no one advocating a more possession-oriented approach doesn’t want to see the team play with purpose and speed.

when it’s done properly, it’s not beaten by hoofball “any day” - quite the opposite, in fact, which has been illustrated countless times now in the english leagues, at world cups and wherever you want to look.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:48 pm 
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Mk59don wrote:
On Anglia news it said he has ruled himself out


News report coming up on look east and if you look out for him you will see welldon in the background!


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:49 pm 
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Kempstondons6 wrote:
Mk59don wrote:
On Anglia news it said he has ruled himself out


News report coming up on look east and if you look out for him you will see welldon in the background!

Why always me ?

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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:11 pm 
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rosie47 wrote:
kawasakitwin wrote:
Players had to be fit and disciplined and also do their jobs properly, it beats tippy, tappy lets go sideways any day.

this is a complete straw man though. no one advocating a more possession-oriented approach doesn’t want to see the team play with purpose and speed.

when it’s done properly, it’s not beaten by hoofball “any day” - quite the opposite, in fact, which has been illustrated countless times now in the english leagues, at world cups and wherever you want to look.

I totally agree that if a team has the money to buy world class technically-gifted players, then possession based football is clearly better than "hoofball", otherwise teams like the big six in England, Barcelona, Real Madrid, etc, who have the money to play whichever way they choose, would play hoofball rather than the way they all do. The fact that it's always less wealthy clubs that play direct shows that it's generally something done more out of cheap necessity.
However, the question when related to MK Dons is, can we really achieve the aim of established championship football while trying to play "the MK way" on a relatively limited budget? Our one attempt in the championship so far suggests that we are way out of our depth trying to out-play richer, bigger championship clubs. Whereas smaller teams have managed to stay up in the championship playing a more pragmatic style.
I think if we want to play our passing game, and develop academy kids to sell on, then we are describing a team like Crewe who have been doing that for years but have stayed in the bottom divisions. However if we are really aiming to get up to the championship and stay there, then something has got to give. Either we somehow spend the money to assemble a team good enough to pass their way to victory in the top 2 divisions, or the "MK way" has to give way to a more results-driven style achieveable on a tighter budget. I genuinely can't see how we can achieve being an established championship club playing the MK way on PW's budget. Technically-gifted players, good enough for the top 2 divisions, cost a lot of money. A more pragmatic style, while less easy on the eye, is much more financially sustainable. Which is why most smaller, less wealthy clubs, play that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:15 pm 
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Russybcool wrote:
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With all due respect we at least need to try and get someone in with experience of the task in hand.

PS I don't thin Robbo was a risk at all. Don't forget spent a year observing Ince Mk2 and learning the team and also what not to do.

And working with Allardyce, learning about management.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:42 pm 
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rosie47 wrote:
kawasakitwin wrote:
Players had to be fit and disciplined and also do their jobs properly, it beats tippy, tappy lets go sideways any day.

this is a complete straw man though. no one advocating a more possession-oriented approach doesn’t want to see the team play with purpose and speed.

when it’s done properly, it’s not beaten by hoofball “any day” - quite the opposite, in fact, which has been illustrated countless times now in the english leagues, at world cups and wherever you want to look.

By a small handful of teams with hundreds of millions of pounds more than anyone else to collect the best players in the world that can play like that. Give me Leicester City “any day”.

We tried it with our League One budget. Without EFL’s equivalent of Iniesta, Hazard or De Bruyne we were neutralised, shut down. We had no alternative ability to take pressing opponents out of the game with balls over the top to direct wide men or to a sponge up front, or cross a ball past massed defenders. We didn’t even have a good striker in the air to get on the end of crosses if they arrived. All we had was trying to pass through them, with diminishing returns as more teams learned how to stop us.

Results matter, not style over substance.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon grayson
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:53 pm 
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results matter to you. other people have other preferences - like the team having an identity and principles. and we did go and get promoted playing robboball.

the idea that only rich teams can do it has been proven wrong repeatedly. nearly all the teams that have risen through the leagues rapidly - swansea, southampton, bournemouth, huddersfield - have committed themselves to a progressive style of play.

i don’t doubt that grayson would get us up the right end of league one. then what? we don’t have more money than the countless clubs in the championship and league one playing in a similar way to his teams, so how will we beat them? if the ceiling of our ambition is to be the next preston, what’s the point?


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