THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

The Unofficial MK Dons Forum. Discuss and debate all things Dons
It is currently Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:55 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:48 pm
Posts: 4817
Location: In the Armchair.
THE MELTDOWN – RELEGATION EXTRA
Nearly 48 hours on and the feeling is still pretty raw if social media and all the various platforms are anything to go by, and so far it’s showing no signs of relenting and becoming tomorrow’s chip paper, in fact in many areas its growing in pace.

I have a few questions on the way, so if you feel inclined, it would be good to get a bit of interaction, as there are one or two things I have mixed feelings on.

It has to be said the silence from SMK is deafening with just a loanee, coming out and apologising to the fans, no other player other than the Lewie interview as reported by Toby Lock has made it out of the four walls, yet we note its not made it onto the Dons media platforms yet….. I wonder why, him criticizing every department must have struck a nerve, it looks like more time down Charlton for Lewie.

Whilst on the subject of Toby Lock I would like to congratulate him for being brave enough to report the situation how it is, he put his head above the parapet a few months ago and took a huge swipe at the club, and rightly so, the club has had an easy journey with “Club Friendly” journos in the past, so to get the story straight for us was very refreshing for all Dons fans.

There is a possibility the club have put a block on players expressing anything for fear of fanning the flames of a social media storm, but the loanee apology was apparently well received with the vast majority of fans congratulating him for having the balls to come out and apologise.

Regarding fan reaction, I just wonder if the club has lost touch with the fans (It has, I don’t know why I even asked), and badly misjudged the feeling of an ever evolving fanbase that now boasts 100’s of youngsters that have only ever known life behind the MK banner. In the past and aged fanbase were certainly more forgiving, probably grateful that Pete bought football to Milton Keynes and would forgive the club no matter how bad it performed or treated fans. Just roll out a video, kiss a few babies, give an impassioned speech and everything would be ok again, but times have changed, and that approach appears not to be working now with the new generation and the future of this fanbase, and this relegation unlike others is going to be harder to bat off.

Interaction with the younger fans has mainly been through DonsAction who have always done a sterling job in rousing the troops and trying create an atmosphere, in fact they are unrivalled in their promotion of the team, putting the club and others to shame, but it appears their patience has run out and they have withdrawn their interaction with the club and stood down from the Supporters Board, and I wonder if that phrase heard on the now famous and much viewed Twitter spat with Pete is connected to that decision, “It’s a failed football experiment “ was heard several times, but what exactly was meant by that comment…..Franchise football, the Supporters Board, Sweeting in his role, or something else, what’s your thoughts.

You may not agree with this move by DA or even understand it, and I would guess if that’s the case, they probably think you are part of the problem.

Personally, I applaud them, they obviously feel they have exhausted this approach, got little or nowhere despite every effort, and feel its not worth their involvement any longer. I certainly don’t look at it as quitting, on the contrary, they have stood up for what they believe in and have the courage to do something about it, so anybody that thinks DA will shuffle off the MK radar is sadly mistaken.

The blame game has obviously been running for months now as more and more people finally realised this club was on a collision course with relegation, and in the coming weeks and days I see it showing no signs of relenting.

If anyone pays the price will come sooner or later, Manning was the scapegoat last time despite an online poll showing that just 7% of Dons fans felt he was the guy responsible. Personally, I don’t think the focus of Dons fans it going to be much different this time with very few calls for Jackson to get the chop, and to add my support for what its worth, I also support Jacko, getting rid of him makes no sense whatsoever and then replacing him with the latest person we want to give a chance to in football, someone inexperienced and that needs time is not what we need right now.

Whilst the tenure of Jacko has been short and he has failed to save us, and yes he must carry some of the burden of relegation, can anyone say with any confidence he is entirely at blame here, well if you do, this time I think you could be part of the problem.

Although naive at times I think he has shown enough to be given a shot at next season, I think he learnt a great deal in his short time, and I think the pain of relegation will add to his hunger to get it right next time.

The budget to me is a mystery as despite my request last week I don’t think anyone has shed any light on my question of what exactly the budget is. My memory isn’t that great these days, but I have recollections of once asking Andy Cullen in public forum what the actual budget covered, and his response was everything not just signings and wages but everything, or as I put it on Sunday “paper clips to players”.

Now I do not dispute the budget has gone up, but has that meant an increase in the playing budget which is the part us fans are very much interested in. I know what it feels like and looks like when we see who is pulling on those oil stained shirts, but have we actually spent more this season on players than last season, does anyone have any proof on this subject because if it is less the blame game only stops at one door, if it has increased then Pete should be aggrieved and joined by one or two others as the likely architects of this massive fall from grace.

I can see possibly evidence of an increase if the rumours are true of how much we have paid Johnson and Grigg, if they are true, frankly its even more embarrassing than I thought that good money was spent on potentially two of our biggest disappointments this season.

If Sweeting has had a grubby fiver stuffed in his hand and told to go out and buy some Moet & Chandon and came back with a bottle of Aldi sparkling water, is it Sweeting’s fault he can’t shit miracles a second time round, or the person who gave him the grubby fiver.

Equally I don’t always understand the blaming of managers, agreed some should never be allowed to manage a team again, but if they are not given the funds to sign within reason who they like are they just the victims of circumstance, and someone that inevitably will carry the can for failings further up the food chain.

Of course, much of this is questioning speculation, the actual truth of what goes on behind closed doors at any club is closely guarded, and can any fan say with any confidence what has really transpired, of course not, we can only guess and second guess and try and piece together the facts and try and make sense of it, and then still be a million miles away.

But one thing I will say is read the comments by Lewie in the Toby Lock interview, which as I say has not been published by the club yet. He suggests there have been failings all round the club, and people just washed their hands of it, and that just about sums it up, and really all we need to know to confirm what we already thought.


8-) WD

_________________
Read the MELTDOWN after every game, no bullshit, just giving it straight


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:04 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:29 am
Posts: 125
Great write up WellDon, and some good points.

It has been pointed out to me elsewhere that the Lewie "interview" is actually snippets from his Burton pre game presser. What he says is of course true, but we haven't seen any genuine reaction from the club at all post burton other than from a loan player (Stewart) and one whos out of contract and almost certainly moving on (Kai Kai).

Very interesting couple of weeks and months ahead. Almost pivotal for the future of the football club i'd say.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:05 am
Posts: 2630
The failed football experiment comment clearly came from a Burton fan.

Given our attendance at their stadium it was as much a silly suggestion as our bloke demanding he sells the club. All in all that video is a whopping embarrassment to all of us.

_________________
Decided to come back.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:23 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:03 pm
Posts: 2361
If only the players could put in a performance as consistently as WellDon produces an enjoyable Meltdown.

The silence is deafening especially from some of the players who I would have expected to speak out (Harvie, O'Hora in particular). I doubt the club have banned them from posting because they retweeted Kaikai's post - a post appreciated by most fans who commented under it. My take is that the players simple lack courage, both on and off the pitch. I'm not without sympathy because it has probably been tough mentally to be in this team all season; but tough times in football can be the making of some of the best players if they can rise to the challenge.

Regarding the budget I've no idea what we are spending but if we really are paying Grigg 8k a week that is £416,000 for the year :o Why couldn't that money have been spent on getting someone like Bishop over the line. Add in Johnson who is supposedly on 6k a week as well and its grim reading. 300k plus on a 35 year old who can't run is awful management.

Whatever the club do next I think they need to do it quickly. I don't have strong feelings either way about keeping or sacking Jackson but I do think the club need to come out and address the situation as soon as possible. That applies to all the failings this year. If they don't act fast the ill feeling will only fester and we will face a long hard summer. Act quick, apologise with sincerity and genuinely try to address the concerns of the fans and there might be a chance of salvaging things (I know some of you will say this will never happen and you might well be right).

What are the alternatives? Continue doing what they have been doing and watch as the atmosphere become even more hostile or worse supporters just think sod it and don't bother coming back. Financially the club can't risk that. If they do the path only leads in one direction and its not up.

Well I guess another option. Pete could come out and publicly and put the club up for sale. No idea if there would be any interest. You have to imagine there would be from somewhere but the days of dreaming of Red Bull taking us over are long gone.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:31 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:48 pm
Posts: 4817
Location: In the Armchair.
Ormeau wrote:
If only the players could put in a performance as consistently as WellDon produces an enjoyable Meltdown.

The silence is deafening especially from some of the players who I would have expected to speak out (Harvie, O'Hora in particular). I doubt the club have banned them from posting because they retweeted Kaikai's post - a post appreciated by most fans who commented under it. My take is that the players simple lack courage, both on and off the pitch. I'm not without sympathy because it has probably been tough mentally to be in this team all season; but tough times in football can be the making of some of the best players if they can rise to the challenge.

Regarding the budget I've no idea what we are spending but if we really are paying Grigg 8k a week that is £416,000 for the year :o Why couldn't that money have been spent on getting someone like Bishop over the line. Add in Johnson who is supposedly on 6k a week as well and its grim reading. 300k plus on a 35 year old who can't run is awful management.

Whatever the club do next I think they need to do it quickly. I don't have strong feelings either way about keeping or sacking Jackson but I do think the club need to come out and address the situation as soon as possible. That applies to all the failings this year. If they don't act fast the ill feeling will only fester and we will face a long hard summer. Act quick, apologise with sincerity and genuinely try to address the concerns of the fans and there might be a chance of salvaging things (I know some of you will say this will never happen and you might well be right).

What are the alternatives? Continue doing what they have been doing and watch as the atmosphere become even more hostile or worse supporters just think sod it and don't bother coming back. Financially the club can't risk that. If they do the path only leads in one direction and its not up.

Well I guess another option. Pete could come out and publicly and put the club up for sale. No idea if there would be any interest. You have to imagine there would be from somewhere but the days of dreaming of Red Bull taking us over are long gone.

This...especially the first bit.... well all of it really.

_________________
Read the MELTDOWN after every game, no bullshit, just giving it straight


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:57 pm
Posts: 489
Great review WD.

I watched Lewies pregame presser and while he may have to used that to say the things Toby reported over the weekend, they weren't included in the interview the club put out before the game. I do remember an obvious cut in the recording so suspect he may have said it but the club edited it out. Fair play to him for saying it .. the most telling part for me was ..

"There has been a general apathy around the place after selling players and not really getting it right in replacing them. It happened one too many times and people washed their hands with it. That’s how it’s felt."

Think we all felt the same way.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:04 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:26 am
Posts: 299
Maybe Johnson and Grigg were part of a plan that said - let’s have a really young, energetic team full of potential but have at least one player in defence ( Lewie) , midfield ( Johnson ) and up front ( Grigg) who can be those calm heads and statesmen to bring out the best in the young talent around them. Sounds good in theory of course.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:23 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:34 pm
Posts: 559
Im not keen on the way Pete was confronted here but there was no physical threat that I could detect and the guy, whoever he was at least had the gumption to say it to his face and not hide behind a keyboard declaring others cranks etc.

Its also a bit rich for the chairman to be claiming that he didnt sign the players, make the tactics etc. etc. That might be true in isolation but he did employ the people to make them decisions on his behalf so the buck starts and stops firmly with him.

Its laughable to in essence say 'its nothing to do with me guv' when things are going badly if you pop up taking the plaudits and exposure when things are going a little better.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:35 am 
Completely agree WD re: Toby Lock.

Probably hesitated hitting the 'publish' button a few times this season but he's been a real source of affirmation for concerned fans.

Deserves a lot of plaudits for sticking his head above and going against the club - we know he has to keep them relatively onside for his work but it just shows how dire things have become if even he thinks it's worth commenting on.

I'm talking like he's reporting on the ground from Sudan or something :lol:

But seriously Toby, thanks for putting these articles out.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:18 pm
Posts: 4196
Location: Scribble Towers
Lewies comments sound like they came from a fans viewpoint


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 186 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group