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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 9:35 pm 
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I've been avoiding posting on here up until now. It's taken me most of the day to come to terms with what's happened. We've all known it's been coming for a while, but it doesn't hit you until that whistle blows and it's all over.

It's been an absolutely disgraceful season, there's no two ways about it. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all know the problems, it's plain to see. I just hope that Mr Winkelman can see them too. And not just see them, but (for once) learn from them. Starting with the recruitment in the summer. We replaced the likes of Darling, Twine and Parrot with Oyegoke, Grant and Dennis. Then we decided to sack Manning, fair enough, but the timing was baffling. Gave Jackson all of a single week to assess his squad before the window opened. Not to mention the match day experience...

I think the main reason that this hurts so much is that absolutely none of us saw it coming. In many ways I think the game against Barnsley is like our last 5 years in microcosm. When we were in league two we brought in a guy who knew the league and, more importantly, knew how to get out of it. Whatever you thought of his style of play, he did his job in that year. Since then we made steady progression, bringing in Martin to improve the style of play. Everytime we sold a player, there was a better replacement. Good recruitment (I know, who would've thought?). Then we went to the next level under Manning. We couldn't believe our luck. It was simply some of the best football we've ever seen. We were flying, on top of the world... nothing could go wrong now, right?

And now here we are. Crashing back down to earth with an almighty bang. It's like the biggest kick in the balls ever. And much like last Saturday, you couldn't make it up. Nobody blows a 4-1 lead at home with 20 minutes to go. Nobody goes from a point off automatic promotion one season, to relegation the next. Nobody. Absolutely nobody. Except us.

I really can't be bothered to say again what I've said all season but this sums up a lot of it quite nicely. Those last two paragraphs really hit home for me. Although I will say I knew the writing was on the wall very early this season, that's probably the reason why it doesn't hurt as much as it could have for me, it's not like it hasn't been coming.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 1:37 pm 
DonnieAndMooie wrote:
I've been avoiding posting on here up until now. It's taken me most of the day to come to terms with what's happened. We've all known it's been coming for a while, but it doesn't hit you until that whistle blows and it's all over.

It's been an absolutely disgraceful season, there's no two ways about it. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all know the problems, it's plain to see. I just hope that Mr Winkelman can see them too. And not just see them, but (for once) learn from them. Starting with the recruitment in the summer. We replaced the likes of Darling, Twine and Parrot with Oyegoke, Grant and Dennis. Then we decided to sack Manning, fair enough, but the timing was baffling. Gave Jackson all of a single week to assess his squad before the window opened. Not to mention the match day experience...

I think the main reason that this hurts so much is that absolutely none of us saw it coming. In many ways I think the game against Barnsley is like our last 5 years in microcosm. When we were in league two we brought in a guy who knew the league and, more importantly, knew how to get out of it. Whatever you thought of his style of play, he did his job in that year. Since then we made steady progression, bringing in Martin to improve the style of play. Everytime we sold a player, there was a better replacement. Good recruitment (I know, who would've thought?). Then we went to the next level under Manning. We couldn't believe our luck. It was simply some of the best football we've ever seen. We were flying, on top of the world... nothing could go wrong now, right?

And now here we are. Crashing back down to earth with an almighty bang. It's like the biggest kick in the balls ever. And much like last Saturday, you couldn't make it up. Nobody blows a 4-1 lead at home with 20 minutes to go. Nobody goes from a point off automatic promotion one season, to relegation the next. Nobody. Absolutely nobody. Except us.


Says it all really.

The old me would have posted a big 5000 word dissertation in its own thread about how much of a shitshow this has been, the almost unprecedented fall from 89pts to relegation, the mismanagement of the club on and off the pitch etc but nobody wants to read that.

It's one of those situations where almost everything that can possibly go wrong has to the point you don't even know where to start the autopsy. All you can do is laugh. I've been in a strange, giddy mood since yesterday just because of how much of a disaster this has been. :lol:

I cannot wait to see how the club handle it in terms of Winkie, Sweeting etc in front of the camera.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:28 pm 
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Dons finally get into the Championship, lose their best players and sign a couple of Spanish players totally unsuited to Championship with some journey men footballers, get relegated and sack their manager

They replace with a over-hyped Scotsman with a personality of a gnat, who banishes the Captain & long serving Dean Lewington, buys mainly poor Scottish players, replacing him with a ex youth coach with a plan and without a idea of how to survive L1.

Getting relegated to L2 they employ a L2 veteran, fashionardo, who just gets us promoted and we sell our best player and we go on to us worst run of results in our history. Replacing him with a manager who is more interested in possession than scoring, behind close doors we struggle until the allocated points per game has us finishing mid table.

This doesn't stop us losing our best players and the much sort after manager jumps ship before the 1st game of the season. Employing a coach only known to his mother and Liam Sweeting, the club manages to make the play offs, to fall to our county rival.

As a matter of course, we lose us best players and sign players, either been involved in relegation, are unknown future prospects or players at the end of their career. We slump again and employ another youth coach, who despite promise, fails to turn around the club and we are relegated back to L2.

You really couldn't make it up.

Have you thought about writing the Meltdown….you seem to have a lot of talent.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:47 pm 
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WellDon wrote:
ReturnofMoo wrote:
Dons finally get into the Championship, lose their best players and sign a couple of Spanish players totally unsuited to Championship with some journey men footballers, get relegated and sack their manager

They replace with a over-hyped Scotsman with a personality of a gnat, who banishes the Captain & long serving Dean Lewington, buys mainly poor Scottish players, replacing him with a ex youth coach with a plan and without a idea of how to survive L1.

Getting relegated to L2 they employ a L2 veteran, fashionardo, who just gets us promoted and we sell our best player and we go on to us worst run of results in our history. Replacing him with a manager who is more interested in possession than scoring, behind close doors we struggle until the allocated points per game has us finishing mid table.

This doesn't stop us losing our best players and the much sort after manager jumps ship before the 1st game of the season. Employing a coach only known to his mother and Liam Sweeting, the club manages to make the play offs, to fall to our county rival.

As a matter of course, we lose us best players and sign players, either been involved in relegation, are unknown future prospects or players at the end of their career. We slump again and employ another youth coach, who despite promise, fails to turn around the club and we are relegated back to L2.

You really couldn't make it up.

Have you thought about writing the Meltdown….you seem to have a lot of talent.


Thanks but it doesn't compare to yours. I guess if you can't do it every game, is to have guest contributors. Happy to do 1 or 2 a season.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:20 pm 
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Filth wrote:
I cannot wait to see how the club handle it in terms of Winkie, Sweeting etc in front of the camera.



We've seen and heard it all before. A lot of us used to get sucked in by it all. We were sold a dream. Every player and manager that has walked through that door in the last 20 years was sold a dream. They can say what they want, but at this stage, nobody will do anything more than listen and chuckle.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:49 pm 
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ReturnofMoo wrote:
WellDon wrote:
ReturnofMoo wrote:
Dons finally get into the Championship, lose their best players and sign a couple of Spanish players totally unsuited to Championship with some journey men footballers, get relegated and sack their manager

They replace with a over-hyped Scotsman with a personality of a gnat, who banishes the Captain & long serving Dean Lewington, buys mainly poor Scottish players, replacing him with a ex youth coach with a plan and without a idea of how to survive L1.

Getting relegated to L2 they employ a L2 veteran, fashionardo, who just gets us promoted and we sell our best player and we go on to us worst run of results in our history. Replacing him with a manager who is more interested in possession than scoring, behind close doors we struggle until the allocated points per game has us finishing mid table.

This doesn't stop us losing our best players and the much sort after manager jumps ship before the 1st game of the season. Employing a coach only known to his mother and Liam Sweeting, the club manages to make the play offs, to fall to our county rival.

As a matter of course, we lose us best players and sign players, either been involved in relegation, are unknown future prospects or players at the end of their career. We slump again and employ another youth coach, who despite promise, fails to turn around the club and we are relegated back to L2.

You really couldn't make it up.

Have you thought about writing the Meltdown….you seem to have a lot of talent.


Thanks but it doesn't compare to yours. I guess if you can't do it every game, is to have guest contributors. Happy to do 1 or 2 a season.

Good. I can't be doing with having a go at both of you for the constant disguised optimism.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 8:30 pm 
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WellDon wrote:
Have you thought about writing the Meltdown….you seem to have a lot of talent.

No no no. We're not having someone with talent writing the Meltdown. ;)

Seriously, if you step back from it (which I could fully understand), I'd miss it. It combines passion, personal bitterness, good insight and batshit craziness, all in perfect proportions. It's one of the best things about this place, even when I disagree with every word (which ain't that often, he whispered).

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 8:31 pm 
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keyser soze wrote:
WellDon wrote:
Have you thought about writing the Meltdown….you seem to have a lot of talent.

No no no. We're not having someone with talent writing the Meltdown. ;)

Seriously, if you step back from it (which I could fully understand), I'd miss it. It combines passion, personal bitterness, good insight and batshit craziness, all in perfect proportions. It's one of the best things about this place, even when I disagree with every word (which ain't that often, he whispered).

This. If you can't do it, WD, nobody should.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:54 pm 
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DonnieAndMooie wrote:
We replaced the likes of Darling, Twine and Parrot with Oyegoke, Grant and Dennis.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't quite agree with this. I understand the frustrations with recruitment and in hindsight we made a hell of a lot of mistakes. But I think it is slightly dishonest to make those direct comparisions.

The Twine replacement was a big miss, but that was always difficult having gone from Gilbey to Fraser to Twine. We hoped it would be Grant. Let's not forget Twine only had 6 months experience in L1 having previously been shipped out on loan to L2, hardly guaranteed success or a clear proven track record.

We replaced Darling with Tucker - somebody highly sought after with 100 games at this level and cost us a reported £300k
We replaced KKH with Oyegoke - one Premier League youth England international for another Premier League youth international
We replaced Parrott with Barry - one highly rated Premier League Ireland international for one highly rated Premier League, former Barcelona England youth international.

Now did the work? Hell no. But most of us felt at the time they were pretty good replacements


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2023 1:51 am 
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DonnieAndMooie wrote:
We replaced the likes of Darling, Twine and Parrot with Oyegoke, Grant and Dennis.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't quite agree with this. I understand the frustrations with recruitment and in hindsight we made a hell of a lot of mistakes. But I think it is slightly dishonest to make those direct comparisions.

The Twine replacement was a big miss, but that was always difficult having gone from Gilbey to Fraser to Twine. We hoped it would be Grant. Let's not forget Twine only had 6 months experience in L1 having previously been shipped out on loan to L2, hardly guaranteed success or a clear proven track record.

We replaced Darling with Tucker - somebody highly sought after with 100 games at this level and cost us a reported £300k
We replaced KKH with Oyegoke - one Premier League youth England international for another Premier League youth international
We replaced Parrott with Barry - one highly rated Premier League Ireland international for one highly rated Premier League, former Barcelona England youth international.

Now did the work? Hell no. But most of us felt at the time they were pretty good replacements


On paper (and with plenty of hindsight), Tucker replacing Darling felt the only "proper" replacement. I was excited when that happened.

I think most of us (myself included) expected much more from Oyegoke and Barry.

But we never replaced Twine, and Grant was an underwhelming signing from the start. We also never replaced Coventry who was a massive part of the second half of last season, nor Kasumu to some degree.

To Sweeting's credit though (or maybe Manning for convincing him?), bringing back Cumming was excellent work and probably saved us finishing bottom.


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