THE CONCRETE ROUNDABOUT (TCR)

The Unofficial MK Dons Forum. Discuss and debate all things Dons
It is currently Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:10 pm

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 65 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:39 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:52 am
Posts: 42
Otterspocket wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
RedDotDon wrote:
End of the day the way Neilson and the club handled it was disgraceful and embarrassing.

Neilson was doomed to fail with this going on.


This. I'm bewildered by the few supporters that saw nothing wrong with how they handled Lewie being ostracized from the club. I've not being a fan of Lewie for a few seasons, but even I thought something was very wrong about it, and I'm still a bit surprised at how Pete dealt with it in that video interview, like he was covering for Neilson.


At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?



In fairness I have.

I can confirm it was an absolute disgrace.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:58 pm
Posts: 1323
Otterspocket wrote:
At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?


See above.

This is also part of the reason why I've criticised the club's social media/engagement with fans. Things like this that get out - we as supporters like you say aren't partial to what goes on behind the scenes. I'm not saying that should change, but the club projects a certain image of itself, and if the only response to a matter involving our longest serving player is a few minutes from the chairman 'covering' for his manager, then it's not handled well. The reasons Pete gave just felt like excuses and only felt like Neilson's side of the story, not Lewie's.

I'm not a marketing/media expert, but the club really needs to step up a gear in their efforts with communicating with fans, engaging with fans better.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:01 am
Posts: 897
FilthyDon wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?


See above.

This is also part of the reason why I've criticised the club's social media/engagement with fans. Things like this that get out - we as supporters like you say aren't partial to what goes on behind the scenes. I'm not saying that should change, but the club projects a certain image of itself, and if the only response to a matter involving our longest serving player is a few minutes from the chairman 'covering' for his manager, then it's not handled well. The reasons Pete gave just felt like excuses and only felt like Neilson's side of the story, not Lewie's.

I'm not a marketing/media expert, but the club really needs to step up a gear in their efforts with communicating with fans, engaging with fans better.


There's an old saying of not washing your dirty laundry in public. Pete gave as much and even more as he could and to mix metaphors, now Neilson has gone it can all blow over.

_________________
Please note that all my comments are my opinions unless stated otherwise.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:58 pm
Posts: 1323
ReturnofMoo wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?


See above.

This is also part of the reason why I've criticised the club's social media/engagement with fans. Things like this that get out - we as supporters like you say aren't partial to what goes on behind the scenes. I'm not saying that should change, but the club projects a certain image of itself, and if the only response to a matter involving our longest serving player is a few minutes from the chairman 'covering' for his manager, then it's not handled well. The reasons Pete gave just felt like excuses and only felt like Neilson's side of the story, not Lewie's.

I'm not a marketing/media expert, but the club really needs to step up a gear in their efforts with communicating with fans, engaging with fans better.


There's an old saying of not washing your dirty laundry in public. Pete gave as much and even more as he could and to mix metaphors, now Neilson has gone it can all blow over.


I agree with the meaning, but that doesn't have to apply to every situation, especially when rumours are floating around. Pete addressed it, but it wasn't a satisfying response. Lewie is an institution at this club. It would be like Steven Gerrard being told he can't train at Liverpool.

Anyway, like you say - it's in the past now, Neilson is gone and the club can move on from this awkward chapter.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:22 pm
Posts: 517
FilthyDon wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?


See above.

This is also part of the reason why I've criticised the club's social media/engagement with fans. Things like this that get out - we as supporters like you say aren't partial to what goes on behind the scenes. I'm not saying that should change, but the club projects a certain image of itself, and if the only response to a matter involving our longest serving player is a few minutes from the chairman 'covering' for his manager, then it's not handled well. The reasons Pete gave just felt like excuses and only felt like Neilson's side of the story, not Lewie's.

I'm not a marketing/media expert, but the club really needs to step up a gear in their efforts with communicating with fans, engaging with fans better.


A few minutes? 20 isn't a few and not many other clubs would have done so.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:22 pm
Posts: 517
BracknellDons wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
RedDotDon wrote:
End of the day the way Neilson and the club handled it was disgraceful and embarrassing.

Neilson was doomed to fail with this going on.


This. I'm bewildered by the few supporters that saw nothing wrong with how they handled Lewie being ostracized from the club. I've not being a fan of Lewie for a few seasons, but even I thought something was very wrong about it, and I'm still a bit surprised at how Pete dealt with it in that video interview, like he was covering for Neilson.


At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?



In fairness I have.

I can confirm it was an absolute disgrace.


Please tell. I want to believe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:54 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:04 pm
Posts: 142
BracknellDons wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
RedDotDon wrote:
End of the day the way Neilson and the club handled it was disgraceful and embarrassing.

Neilson was doomed to fail with this going on.


This. I'm bewildered by the few supporters that saw nothing wrong with how they handled Lewie being ostracized from the club. I've not being a fan of Lewie for a few seasons, but even I thought something was very wrong about it, and I'm still a bit surprised at how Pete dealt with it in that video interview, like he was covering for Neilson.


At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?



In fairness I have.

I can confirm it was an absolute disgrace.


Which would affect how you felt and dealt with it, for the bulk of the fan base, even you vouching for what happened is still just rumour. It's the whole 'a bloke down the pub told me' thing, not doubting you BD but you see my point, to me 'the bloke on the forum said' isn't proof of wrong doing by the club. Unless you know someone who has heard it directly, you shouldn't be jumping on one bandwagon or the other. Which is why people didn't get all heated up by how the club handled it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:58 pm
Posts: 1323
The fact Pete felt he needed to respond to it in a video interview in the first place shows it was poorly handled. There should have a been a proper story/press release/article instead of just a soundbite from Neilson after a game where he said Lewie was training elsewhere - surely they should have known that wasn't satisfactory to fans in the first place for a long serving player (and captain!). If they had have handled that right in the first place, rumours wouldnt have started and fans wouldn't have been questioning the club.

If you think they were completely correct in how they handled it, fine, but a lot of people weren't, hence why Pete personally responded. It's all over now.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:08 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:52 am
Posts: 42
Otterspocket wrote:
BracknellDons wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
RedDotDon wrote:
End of the day the way Neilson and the club handled it was disgraceful and embarrassing.

Neilson was doomed to fail with this going on.


This. I'm bewildered by the few supporters that saw nothing wrong with how they handled Lewie being ostracized from the club. I've not being a fan of Lewie for a few seasons, but even I thought something was very wrong about it, and I'm still a bit surprised at how Pete dealt with it in that video interview, like he was covering for Neilson.


At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?



In fairness I have.

I can confirm it was an absolute disgrace.


Which would affect how you felt and dealt with it, for the bulk of the fan base, even you vouching for what happened is still just rumour. It's the whole 'a bloke down the pub told me' thing, not doubting you BD but you see my point, to me 'the bloke on the forum said' isn't proof of wrong doing by the club. Unless you know someone who has heard it directly, you shouldn't be jumping on one bandwagon or the other. Which is why people didn't get all heated up by how the club handled it.


For the avoidance of doubt; this isn't a 'bloke down the pub told me' type story. I heard 1st hand from the horses mouth what happened, i even substantiated what I was told with others. I don't mind if you or anyone else doesn't take it as gospel, that's perfectly normal - it was an absolute disgrace.
I don't think the club acted badly, they backed the manager - I'm saying the whole situation was handled badly. A player of his stature shouldn't of been treated like that.

Lewie never said he should be starting every week, he only ever asked to be given an opportunity to compete for his place. It's his job.

I know of another on here you also spoke to Lewie about it - not naming names though.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:01 pm
Posts: 176
BracknellDons wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
BracknellDons wrote:
Otterspocket wrote:
FilthyDon wrote:
RedDotDon wrote:
End of the day the way Neilson and the club handled it was disgraceful and embarrassing.

Neilson was doomed to fail with this going on.


This. I'm bewildered by the few supporters that saw nothing wrong with how they handled Lewie being ostracized from the club. I've not being a fan of Lewie for a few seasons, but even I thought something was very wrong about it, and I'm still a bit surprised at how Pete dealt with it in that video interview, like he was covering for Neilson.


At the end of the day most of our supporters (myself included) had no idea what REALLY happened between Lewie and Neilson. You hear and read rumours, but until you hear it directly from Lewie or Neilson that's all they are is rumours. Players fall out with Managers all the time, why would we respond to this any differently than the rumours in the past? As foir how it was dealt with what would you have liked to have seen them do differently?



In fairness I have.

I can confirm it was an absolute disgrace.


Which would affect how you felt and dealt with it, for the bulk of the fan base, even you vouching for what happened is still just rumour. It's the whole 'a bloke down the pub told me' thing, not doubting you BD but you see my point, to me 'the bloke on the forum said' isn't proof of wrong doing by the club. Unless you know someone who has heard it directly, you shouldn't be jumping on one bandwagon or the other. Which is why people didn't get all heated up by how the club handled it.


For the avoidance of doubt; this isn't a 'bloke down the pub told me' type story. I heard 1st hand from the horses mouth what happened, i even substantiated what I was told with others. I don't mind if you or anyone else doesn't take it as gospel, that's perfectly normal - it was an absolute disgrace.
I don't think the club acted badly, they backed the manager - I'm saying the whole situation was handled badly. A player of his stature shouldn't of been treated like that.

Lewie never said he should be starting every week, he only ever asked to be given an opportunity to compete for his place. It's his job.

I know of another on here you also spoke to Lewie about it - not naming names though.


Why bother mentioning your inside knowledge of you're not going to explain what you may or may not know?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 65 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], MKDM, oldstratforddon, Sandsdon, Sausage


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group