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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:40 am 
Posted this in the other thread, but thought I'd make a thread of its own.

Plan is to write a joint, open letter to Andy Cullen and the rest of the board at the club, with as many signatures as possible by the end of the day (today - 5th). The letter will then be forward on to the club tonight.

The letter covers things like #NeilsonOut, the club's handling of Lewie, general supporter disillusionment and discontent, rumours, the training ground etc.

Please share the link to the petition on Twitter, Facebook etc.

If it takes off and we get a few signatures, then great, if not, I'll be sending the letter anyway. Reckon we could get 50+ by the end of the day.

Link to petition (please sign):
https://www.change.org/p/pete-winkelman ... mk-dons-fc

Link to open letter (3 page draft): **updated**
https://www.scribd.com/document/3663713 ... -VERSION-2


**Update 1:** Have re-uploaded a slightly tweaked draft with SG19's re-wording for certain sentences, and also taken a less imposing tone in some paragraphs, have removed the demand for terminating Neilson's contract, and taken a more open viewpoint that the board take positive steps (whatever they deem those steps to be) instead.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:40 am 
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I hope you dont mind filthy, ive sent one of my own as well. You'll have to excuse the personal side of it. Please be sensetive in critique as its quite personal and took a lot to write and share. but if anyone is interested its as follows:

"Hi Andrew I just want to take some time to voice some concerns I have about the club. Not looking for or expecting a reply, just want to give my side as a fan regarding my view of what mk dons meant to me and what mk dons currently represents. This will be a long read but i'd hope you'd at least listen even if you can't necessarily answer my concerns or have the time to put my concerns to rest immediately.

So I'll start with what MK Dons meant to me and there will be some personal truths to be revealed. When I was 19 I became very ill with an onset of mental health conditions that manifested into travel anxiety. I had just become a father and lost my job in a short space of time and the sudden onset of stress triggered a change in my health. I was a west ham fan but travel anxiety meant I could no longer go to football, it was also around the time the new chairmen came in and there was a lot of trepidation and unease. Fast forward two years and I was lost and missing football and my only option was to find a club within reach to go and watch and hope it gave me the buzz i'd missed. I set about planning extensively what clubs I would visit in the local area, when and how i'd get there. I spent a good period trawling through the different clubs websites. I read about players, who the managers were, looked at history and club kits and all those things that give you a connection and excitement. I'd then planned the clubs i'd visit and first up was mk dons. The first thing that struck me about mk dons was before matchday and it was the black kit, it was beautiful and I could see myself wearing it. It came to matchday though and that was when the rest was history. I suffer with travel anxiety to this day and the hard part was getting the bus from my town to bedford and then switch to mk but that's where the difficulties stopped. I arrived in milton keynes and was made to feel welcomed and at ease by bill's mini bus shuttle run to the stadium, that was the first sign. I then arrived at the stadium and had forgotten for that drive my anxieties and all it was was now awe, welcoming and excitement as I saw the stadium for the first time and left bills exceptional service. I still fondly remember him chatting away and the gesture of not charging my daughter the pound to use the service. That then was a sign that family and kids came first at mk. I was at the stadium and a little early we had a look around, unbeknownst to us it was family fun day and exactly what that entailed was a welcome surprise to us. Another sign that families and kids come first at mk. There was plenty to pass the time and we looked in the club shop, we had to get our black kits and enjoyed all the fun activities put on. We then went to watch the football and it was a brilliant match, plenty of goals but it was the brand of football that stood out to me. It truly felt like watching a premier league clone of passing football and forward thinking entertainment at a fraction of the expense and disconnect of following a big london club or northern club. The football really stood out to me and the more I went the more I realised it was not a one off and that was the mk way. The game finished and I put aside my nerves and plucked up the courage to take my daughter over to try and get an autograph. The first person we met was local lad daniel powell and he was a gentleman and despite us not winning but salvaging a draw with a last gasp equaliser he couldn't do enough for us as fans. Later I grew to learn that was exactly what mk was about, local lads playing for a local club with pride, passion and a brand of football that set us apart from the other clubs down here and led by a manager that insisted on these values. Win lose or draw that appreciation between fans and club members was always prevalent and acknowleded and insisted upon by players and karl.

Needless to say I never went to watch another team again, I fell in love with everything about the club that day and as time went on that love and connection was only strengthened. From petes youthful exuberance in local media pushing our ethos and spreading our message as a club to robbos long summer interviews driving home that ambition and passion for the club.

Fast forward to now and that connection seems a distant memory and fan unrest seems at an all time high. What was a unified supporter base, a club with the spirit of us against the world seems to now be one pulling in different directions and such heightened trepidation and lack of transparency.

Purely from a football stand point we seemed to have lost our identity and brand of football.

From a fan and plater relationship it feels like our longest serving player and most committed stalwart who knew the club better Than anyone has been frozen out. As a fan I feel frozen out. There doesnt seem to be that passion coming from the head of the club. The leader doesnt seem to drive up passion and plays down so much of things that are of importance to us fans. Yes players come and go but dean is more than a player and is the heartbeat of the club with pete being the brain of the club and to have played that down in the media saturday was imo distasteful.

So aside from losing our identity, aside from losing the brand of football that set us apart, aside from an instance by past coaches that the players show appreciation and warmth to the fans despite the score, despie all that there in the face of adversity or at anytime the club needed a lift was pete with his rally cries but even that doesnt seem to be coming at the right times now.

As a fan that fell in love with the club I emplore we get our brand of football back, we get our fan/player relationship back, we get a manager leading by example that gets the mk way and understands what it means to be a don and at the very least we get some transparency from the club and our fears put to rest by peteand I hope the answers to the following questions:

Whats going on with the training ground?

Some answers on deans position at club?

Whats happened to our brand of football and is there an ambition to play the mk way again?

Whats happened to mike doves position at the club?

Whats petes understanding of the situations, whats his ambitions, and of mine and many fans concerns what does the club hope to do about them?

The fans want to be in this together but where possible there has to be a transparency and honesty thats accessible for all fans.

If you got this far I thank you for taking the time to read what it means to be an mk dons fan to me, the welcoming family element, the passion, the mutual fan/staff/player respect and understanding, the identity and brand of football and the community spirit led by a manager that understood and pushed home those values and a chairman that drove up the community sprit with an unrivalled passion for the mk way and an honesty and transparency.

Thank you."


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:43 am 
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Also just sent one but will still be signing the online one too.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:03 am 
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I've signed and agree with all the points in the letter.

Is it worth pointing out that Fan morale is even lower than when we were relegated to League 2?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:10 am 
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I really feel Pete has got enough to worry about trying to sort this mess out without supporters getting on his back and pestering him. Someone has already mentioned that he is looking stressed lately, so please lets not make his problems worse.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:36 am 
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Signed - as and when editing I would prefer that the style of performances was highlighted as more important than results as at least you can guarantee the style and I feel that is what gives the entertainment which ensures fans come back (especially children)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:43 am 
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donmentor wrote:
I really feel Pete has got enough to worry about trying to sort this mess out without supporters getting on his back and pestering him. Someone has already mentioned that he is looking stressed lately, so please lets not make his problems worse.


This. Plus do you really think Cullen and Winky don't know the feelings of the fans?

I would assume that they would have an idea of what is going on internally. I would say it would be Cullen and Winky who put Dove on gardening leave. Not Neilson.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:47 am 
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Sorry but the moment you openly ask a man to sack a manager is the moment I can’t sign this.

I don’t like particularly want Neilson around here if this all carries on in the same manner but literally asking a man to sack someone in a letter is a bit ott. Tweets and discussions etc are different. That’s a bit formal and the wrong way to go. In my opinion.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:49 am 
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Russybcool wrote:
donmentor wrote:
I really feel Pete has got enough to worry about trying to sort this mess out without supporters getting on his back and pestering him. Someone has already mentioned that he is looking stressed lately, so please lets not make his problems worse.


This. Plus do you really think Cullen and Winky don't know the feelings of the fans?

I would assume that they would have an idea of what is going on internally. I would say it would be Cullen and Winky who put Dove on gardening leave. Not Neilson.


If the first is true, then they either don't care (which I don't believe), they are tied financially so can't do anything about it or they don't know what to do, so the petition ight just push them into finding a solution.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:52 am 
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Alby wrote:
Sorry but the moment you openly ask a man to sack a manager is the moment I can’t sign this.

I don’t like particularly want Neilson around here if this all carries on in the same manner but literally asking a man to sack someone in a letter is a bit ott. Tweets and discussions etc are different. That’s a bit formal and the wrong way to go. In my opinion.


Actually I agree with Alby, how about changing it to ask Winkie to get Nielson to change his attitude and philosophy. If Nielson is reluctant to change then perhaps that would bring about the change most people want without going full out and asking for him to be sacked.


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