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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:30 pm 
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Hasn’t gone down to well on wup but I have to say there are some very reasonable people commenting on it. Obviously the usual few that say stuff we’d all expect haven’t liked it.


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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:39 pm 
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I think Walter likes us. He looks very happy in the company of Tisdale and Lewie from the photographs.

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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:43 pm 
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I think Walter likes us. He looks very happy in the company of Tisdale and Lewie from the photographs.

Don't the little kiddies on wup like it? Ooh dearie dear.
Whisper it very quietly....he's actually an MK mole.... :ugeek: :ugeek:

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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 pm 
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Some random stuff from them ce soir....
I've put my emphasis in bold.
F- 'em.

Maybe we should just adopt the view that became common after our first match with them that people would make up their own minds and even though we disagreed it achieved nothing to make a big issue of it. Extend that to the managers and playing staff too.

You could argue that the creation of AFCW was the best thing that could happen to us as WFC was in decline and we all ended up pulling together and becoming a club where the fans actually count for something, ok the process was horrific but the scars eventually heal and we end up only a year away from returning home

As others have suggested Downes has probably known Lewington since he was a kid. Hard not to have an instinctive reaction in that situation. As for players etc not caring. Depends. Some probably don’t. Others as we saw with Ramsdale, Wordsworth and Long, massively click with the fans and clearly do care what they think. But at the end of the day it’s a job. Very few even of the academy products are local and/or club supporters.

Wise words SNN - it is going to get harder and harder for the old guard as the years go on - the faux rivalry is gaining momentum thanks to the media and our view that they shouldn't exist is being eroded. However we don't help ourselves with banners saying "where were you when you were us"... they have never been us - was very disappointed to see that

Checking in from the Brecon Beacons and have just seen THAT photo. Maybe it isn't what it looks like and it's out of context, but if not my opinon of Wally has nosedived. He may know some of them, but unlike Nil I thought he 'got us'. And as for 'just another game'... I am not impressed.

OK, just weird to me but then I don't understand why our generation has to apologise for the slave trade of hundreds of years ago.

CW-yes very funny that they got a very winnable game to go through to the next round when the big boys come in.

CW - Southend away is an unfair argument as you don’t know that going into the game. But aside from that, I’m not one for making excuses for shit performance but that’s all we do at this club it seems, at every level.

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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:33 pm 
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Just listened to the podcast and it hasn't changed my mind that travel restrictions are too severe, even after hearing an account from someone that was there. There have been assaults when the fixture has taken place outside our stadium for the reverse on almost every occasion - both MK 'fans' on AFC fans and vice versa when no restrictions are in place, so evidently it doesn't make a huge difference if it still happened (not even sure how it was possible the other day given our group were apparently escorted directly to the away end - how did AFC fans even get close?)

Our fans that travel to away games are generally the same core group of several hundred (more/less depending on who the opponent is) and we very rarely have trouble at any other ground. Obviously this fixture is unique, but the point is that the problem is them, not us and we shouldn't be restricted/escorted/'punished' or have our away trip inconvenienced due to a small group of their supporters intent on causing problems.

Once again, the emphasis has to be on AFC to accomodate our supporters. It's their problem in that we don't have restrictions in place when they visit us. I don't feel we as a club do enough to pressure them, even if via mediation through the EFL/FA, to accomodate visiting fans for this fixture. There are other options they should consider:

- Increased policing/stewards/manned security (yes there is an increased cost, but that's tough)
- Placing our supporters in a different area of the ground where there are more entry gates so there isn't just a single one down a bottleneck road

Nearer the time of the next fixture there will be a meeting held to discuss arrangements, I just hope the MKDSA by then have sorted themselves out and can gain a good sample of our support's opinion - either via a poll or inviting comments/representations. Maybe an official opinion poll run by the MKDSA could be run asking "Do you want travel restrictions removed for the next visit to Kingsmeadow?".

It seems (given the attendance numbers) that there are plenty of our fans that would want to attend but just can't due to the restrictions because of work/distance/the coach arrangement itself.

You say you've listened to the podcast, then you'll have heard a firsthand account of what happened. Someone allegedly being assaulted, and a child being verbally abused. Likewise you'll also have heard someone else who'd previously gone to Kingsmeadow stating that he'd never go back as its not safe there.

I've quite literally no idea what you want from the club on this. These restrictions were put in place for our supporters protection. Would you rather MK supporters made their own way to the ground? Could you imagine that! A group of young men full of beer. What could possibly go wrong!

You yourself have stated that there is trouble when they come here. An MK supporter was assaulted at MK Central Station. They bricked our support when we last went there. The disabled coach was targeted. They think that they're fully justified in verbally abusing a child for wearing an MK Dons shirt in a built up area.

I can't figure you out. You appear to have nothing positive to say about the football club. Only today you've criticised the podcast, the away support for the Wycombe game, and continued your criticism of the club in regards to the KFC travel arrangements.

I'm under the impression that you live in the West Midlands, and very rarely get to games. Apologies if I'm mistaken. But if I'm not, I find it perplexing that you have such a problem with something that won't directly affect you.

So. A friend of mine who posts on here has a very interesting technique if this place starts to grind his gears. He stops posting for two or three months. That's what I've decided to do. You might see me occasionally pop up in the music section. Or the telly or movie bit. But not on the main Dons section. I'll post a link to the pod each week, which you can slag off, and hopefully see you all in the new year.

Before I go. Anyone reading this, DON'T PM ME ON THIS, I don't like it. I'm specifically talking to the one person who does. Stop it. If a get a single pm, I'm done here.

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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:17 pm 
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Yep im still angered by the just another game and also from the fact only Wagstaff wanted to get stuck on and have a go, we need to tell the staff and players it isnt just another game, by sept 7th. I wont watch the game but would like to know we made a fucking effort.
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If we put in such a performance tomorrow we will still have no points on the board.

what a fan base, wont support team but demands effort


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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:38 pm 
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Runyak Huntz wrote:
Filthy wrote:
Our fans that travel to away games are generally the same core group of several hundred (more/less depending on who the opponent is) and we very rarely have trouble at any other ground.


This is one of the reasons for the restrictions.
Whilst there will always be incidents wherever we go, I can pretty much guarantee it wouldn't involve fans of other clubs (or ours) verbally abusing very young children for simply wearing the colours of the club they follow. It just doesn't happen because normal, decent and sane people don't do that sort of thing.
We are not dealing with football fans here, we're dealing with something entirely different where they can justify this type of incident, and apportion blame to the child and family, simply because they follow MK Dons.
If that can happen with the restrictions in place (putting aside the reasons why they ended up in a home area), what can we expect if there are no restrictions?
It's clear that the usual 'rules' don't apply with them when it comes to our fans and anyone is fair game for abuse. Which was proven on Tuesday night.



Completely agree with all of this.

I have discussed at length and read many posts on here from regular away attendees who won’t go to Kingsmeadow due to the restrictions and have repeatedly stated that, for want of a better expression, it’s a civil liberties issue.

It’s not that simple. Just because you personally won’t go looking for trouble, won’t wear colours, can handle yourself if any bother happens or any multitude of reasons I’ve seen/heard, it’s not about you. It’s about the innocent Dad and his lad parked three streets away cornered as they return to their car, it’s about the abuse given to elderly fan patiently waiting for a tube or bus back home, or the couple of lads who are sat in McDonalds blissfully unaware they’ve been “spotted” or the group who decided they didn’t fancy the “designated pub” and go elsewhere for a pint and accidentally walk into the wrong one. No number of police around the ground could cover all those bases.

In all of those scenarios, they’re just as blameless (in our eyes, and that of any normal sane person) as that kid going to collect his ticket from the box office on Tuesday.


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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:47 pm 
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Shouting at kids - wrong, very wrong!!!!

However both sets of supporters are as bad as each other. This forum has its own board dedicated to Wimbledon, some of it moaning about how their fans are obsessed with MK Dons :shock: People from both sets of supporters trawling social media looking for a keyboard fight. It is boring. Yes there is a heated rivalry and there always will be, it is a big match to look forward to and go to but both sets of fans need to grow up a little bit. People on here crying that they don't refer to us as MK Dons, yet some will not even say AFC Wimbledon but say KFC, Norbington, Kingston etc.

I can't stand the whole subject, they exist, we exist, get over it!


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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:29 pm 
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I totally agree with cha cha don. Whilst some of our fans continue with the verbal abuse of AFC supporters we are just perpetuating the ill feeling. As a club I would really like to see a far more positive approach. I just want to support my team without worrying about others. It’s a game and should be treated as such. Raise the bar folks - we do not need to throw insults around


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 Post subject: Re: AFC Cup game
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:14 pm 
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ChaChaDon wrote:
Shouting at kids - wrong, very wrong!!!!

However both sets of supporters are as bad as each other. This forum has its own board dedicated to Wimbledon, some of it moaning about how their fans are obsessed with MK Dons :shock: People from both sets of supporters trawling social media looking for a keyboard fight. It is boring. Yes there is a heated rivalry and there always will be, it is a big match to look forward to and go to but both sets of fans need to grow up a little bit. People on here crying that they don't refer to us as MK Dons, yet some will not even say AFC Wimbledon but say KFC, Norbington, Kingston etc.

I can't stand the whole subject, they exist, we exist, get over it!


Great post. Both sides think they are in the right and the other needs to see it from their side. Theirs is the absolute truth and the others are Satan.
However, I do think that Wimbledon need us and use the hatred to drive their support on. More support = more money.
I happened to meet a Wimbledon fan on a night out recently. Quite a decent bloke and he wasn't bothered about us. No animosity at all and certainnly not to the people of MK. We both agreed that they are in a better shape now because of what happened.
We both need to grow up a bit and stop blaming each other. It happened. It's gone. Move on.


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