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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 8:32 pm 
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ReturnofMoo wrote:


Very much a kind softball interview with a lot of spin done by a media chum.

My post was purely "forewarned is forearmed". Take from it what you will.

Here's a thread just after the Sligo loss and his sacking on the 29th at 5pm. About 30 pages. Use your own judgement.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/inde ... /#comments


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 8:49 pm 
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Well Fan wrote:
ReturnofMoo wrote:


Very much a kind softball interview with a lot of spin done by a media chum.

My post was purely "forewarned is forearmed". Take from it what you will.

Here's a thread just after the Sligo loss and his sacking on the 29th at 5pm. About 30 pages. Use your own judgement.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/inde ... /#comments


So you lost a game you shouldn't have. :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 9:01 pm 
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Hi,

We seen you appointed GA and wanted to give you an honest view of his time with us. This isn't done out of malice but to maybe temper any expectations.

He arrived in the New Year with a good pedigree and us sitting joint bottom after a derby defeat. Our previous manager ran out of ideas and decided to walk to the regret of the board probably about 70% of our support. We'd qualified for Europe and on paper we shouldn't have been in the mess we were but nothing seemed to click. Players who were outstanding only months before were inept combined with a pretty bad injury list.

So Alexander and Lucketti arrived to steady the ship with the task number 1 being survival. Over the next few months he did that. Our football was not pretty but we didn't care, we just wanted survival. He got a couple of players into the great form and when the dust settled we had a pretty substantial points haul.

Let him get his summer transfer window now we have safety, we were all enthused. Some purchases were made were we changed our policy of going for journeymen on 1 year free contracts to securing guys on longer deals we could potentially resell.

So 2021-22 started and we were getting results but it was chronic to watch. When we did venture up the park, we were scoring from our 1 or 2 shots on target in the whole game and then piled on a defender or two and rode it out. It does nothing for your blood pressure to see cross being lumped in again and again especially when you have a few central defenders prone to a error.

With the benefit of hindsight we should have noticed things were not rosy earlier than we did. In the runup to Christmas there were odd line up selections, players without fault dropped, that is when there were the first grumblings via friends and family of players as to his management style.

He's very autocratic, has favourites, football will go to die under him in the sole pursuit of points. Now the last one can have its merits, but it was eye bleeding stuff, often the way we set ourselves up boggled any conventional wisdom.

For the calendar year Alexander had the highest points tally outside Celtic and Rangers. While the numbers were impressive the nature that we acquired them was not. However he was offered a contract extension and pretty much nobody grumbled.

Pretty much from this contract extension our form nose dived, we lost our most influential player but crazy team selections from one week to the next, throwing on all sorts of mad subs, which we collectively called "the tombola". It was evident a number of players had downed tools. He alienated the club captain and punished him in to a bit part player.

So from Boxing day till our league splits we only got 9 points from a possible 42. What helped us was the rest of the league were awful with everyone taking points off each other so we hobbled into the top 6 with a last minute header and then actually looked decent in a couple of games to secure 5th and European football again.

A few thought he should have got punted because of the chronic run and how we nearly missed out from a good position at the turn of the year. The board felt he earned the right to see what he could do in 2022/23 and maybe 70% of the fans gave him a reprieve up from 40% a few weeks before.

We played Sligo Rovers, we were unprepared and humiliated by guys playing at a lower standard. Alexander approached the Chairman and both he and his assistant walked.

Things have came to light since as they always do. First the club captain and GA fell out because Alexander told him to convey his plans to the players and the captain said he was uneasy about doing so and they made no tactical sense. He said he couldn't relay them if he didn't believe they had merit and the right way forward. He fell out with a number hence their sudden dropping and was rumoured to just go in the huff with players for no reason. They were all afraid of him and there was a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room. A few on longer deals pushed to move on to get away from him. He never engaged with the youth players and was seen as aggressive and a bit mental.

The board hoped his on paper record would attract someone else and they'd look to secure him, pay compensation and everyone is a winner. It seems they withheld his transfer budget last summer because of this favouring to give it to the new guy. As it turned out nobody came in for him and we were starting at a disadvantage.

I'd say there is universal disapproval of GA among our support and almost to a man feel he left the club with issues it will take a little while to remedy.



This can be levelled at any ex manager anywhere, we’ve had our fair share of oddball substitutions, weird decisions on line ups, players falling out with managers, it goes on everywhere, it’s just the baggage of being a professional football manager.

Tisdale made some incredibly ridiculous choices during his time here, eight defensive players on the pitch wasn’t unusual, we all scoffed and moaned like drains, but he got the job done.

I’m sure Graham will have bumps in the road here as well, we’ll grizzle and whine like all fans do when things don’t go well, but if he delivers it will all be forgiven.

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2023 9:47 pm 
Not going to dismiss this as others have - we've had our own share of shite coaches with poor man management skills (i.e. Neilson).

But everywhere other than Motherwell he's been he's been well-liked - I've seen lots of positive comments from Fleetwood, Salford fans etc. Gary Neville famously regrets sacking him, doesn't sound like someone who is difficult to work with.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 6:39 am 
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We've seen this before. Hearts fans going out of their way to warn us about Nielson. We poo-pooed the warnings.

If there's one thing I've learnt from being in football, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a manager who got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cos it turned out all along that the manager who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other managers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the club. Morale totally destroyed... by pooh-pooh!

Also, it's only Scottish football with players of a significantly lower quality that we're talking about here so I remain positive about the whole thing.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 10:09 am 
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A couple of points. Firstly I’m disappointed but not surprised that nobody has had the good grace to thank the guy for taking the time to post what was a well thought out piece on our new man. There’s clearly no malice intended. Rather a view of what we’re likely to get.
Secondly all this stuff about the only thing that matters is winning. Well that’s obviously true but only up to a point.
It’s when results start going pear shaped that the way you play your football starts to matter.
Ian Atkins back in the day at Northampton was a perfect example.
Long balls into the corners. The football was dire but no one complained while they were racking up the points. But watching them lose playing that way was quite awful and he was soon out of the door as a result.
Winning may be the only thing that counts but that’s only true as long as you’re winning.
I happen to think that Alexander will be a good appointment. My main concern is the number of lightweight contracted players he has been saddled with. Could be a busy transfer summer both in and out of the Club.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 10:28 am 
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TomMac&Ernie wrote:
A couple of points. Firstly I’m disappointed but not surprised that nobody has had the good grace to thank the guy for taking the time to post what was a well thought out piece on our new man. There’s clearly no malice intended. Rather a view of what we’re likely to get.

"Ah cheers mate for coming in when we're all finally feeling positive after a year and explaining in great detail why we should be miserable and not looking forward to one of the best managerial signings in years" really doesn't flow too well.

Alexander has been successful everywhere he's been. Even at Motherwell. It may have been turgid, it may have ended sourly and their fans may hate him, but his success can't be denied and it's only Motherwell fans that I've seen react negatively to him since we announced him, oddly enough.

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:21 am 
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How have motherwell done since his departure?


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:16 pm 
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Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How have motherwell done since his departure?

They finished mid-table

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:07 pm 
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Gers wrote:
Beardhidesboy64 wrote:
How have motherwell done since his departure?

They finished mid-table


Thats not bad then tbf but still a small decline and noones managed to come in and repeat their fortunes under him. I know he had a barron spell over a 2 month period but for the most part the rest of his tenure was the best success theyve tasted in recent times. They were the best for goals snd points outside the elite 2 and on a shoestring budget no less.

Motherwell fans can moan about him but they wont have it better than they did under him i dare say.


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