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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:45 pm 
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One slight aside.

Myself and my buddies have just been planning our annual trip to HQ next year (need to book tickets early). The buffoons at the ECB had already cocked it up by failing to arrange a Lords test in July, which is traditional. So we opted for India at Lords in August. But they have just announced the price - £110!!! This year it was £85 which, if I recall, was a substantial increase on 2016.

It seems rather than turn around the dwindling audiences for test cricket, they've taken the easier route of milking the Lords cash-cow. Bastards. :twisted:

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Would any team in history have won a series against the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s?

Four deadly quicks plus Greenidge, Haynes, Viv and Clive Lloyd.

Australia of the Punter, McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist era would have to be the closest. Would love to have seen that. But that WI team is probably the greatest ever. Cricket's version of Brazil '70.


Fancy facing any four from:

Holding
Roberts
Marshall
Croft
Garner
Daniel
Clarke
Ambrose
Walsh
Bishop

Have I missed any?


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dons50 wrote:
keyser soze wrote:
dons50 wrote:
Would any team in history have won a series against the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s?

Four deadly quicks plus Greenidge, Haynes, Viv and Clive Lloyd.

Australia of the Punter, McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist era would have to be the closest. Would love to have seen that. But that WI team is probably the greatest ever. Cricket's version of Brazil '70.


Fancy facing any four from:

Holding
Roberts
Marshall
Croft
Garner
Daniel
Clarke
Ambrose
Walsh
Bishop

Have I missed any?

I crapped myself just reading the list, let alone facing them!

I think mere mortals often don't realise just how fast and intimidating true quicks can be. To set it in context, a guy I knew who was a moderate village cricketer faced Botham in his pomp at a charity game. Now, as we know, Botham was a fast medium, not a true quick. And he ran in (if you can call it that) at my man off only two steps, being very gentle to the locals, in the name of charity. "Fuck me he was quick!" says my guy. Imagine the full force of Michael Holding or Andy Roberts! Gulp!!

I watched Devon Malcolm at a charity game at Campbell Park in the Summer. Again, just a charity game and he's no spring chicken. But the ball still moved unbelievably fast. A special skill.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:27 pm 
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In more recent years....

Cook, Strauss and Trott scoring 500+ for 1 wicket to turn around the series in Australia in 2010/11
KP deciding the best way to play for the required draw in the last test of 2005 was to keep hitting sixes
Last pair Anderson and Monty batting out the last 20-ish overs for a draw at Cardiff in a later Ashes
Swann and Monty out-bowling the Indian twirlers on their own grounds in about 2012
Stokes classy ton in his debut series, in a losing cause at Perth in 2013
Moeen’s hat-trick against the Saffers

Just thought I’d redress the balance after D50’s enjoyment of anyone-but-England, particularly against England, a bit like his anyone-but-Dons. ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:34 pm 
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Sausage wrote:
In more recent years....

Cook, Strauss and Trott scoring 500+ for 1 wicket to turn around the series in Australia in 2010/11
KP deciding the best way to play for the required draw in the last test of 2005 was to keep hitting sixes
Last pair Anderson and Monty batting out the last 20-ish overs for a draw at Cardiff in a later Ashes
Swann and Monty out-bowling the Indian twirlers on their own grounds in about 2012
Stokes classy ton in his debut series, in a losing cause at Perth in 2013
Moeen’s hat-trick against the Saffers

Just thought I’d redress the balance after D50’s enjoyment of anyone-but-England, particularly against England, a bit like his anyone-but-Dons. ;)


Sorry! West Indies were so dominant during my formative years!

I did quote Bob Willis’s 8 wickets at Headingley in 1981. As important as Botham.

Thorpe in the dusk winning a test match in Karachi.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:36 pm 
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keyser soze wrote:
dons50 wrote:
Would any team in history have won a series against the West Indies team of the late 70s and early 80s?

Four deadly quicks plus Greenidge, Haynes, Viv and Clive Lloyd.

Australia of the Punter, McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist era would have to be the closest. Would love to have seen that. But that WI team is probably the greatest ever. Cricket's version of Brazil '70.

Nothing to add to this, just wanted to say agree completely. Would love to have seen a series between those two great sides. Hope we get another classic team to enjoy in the near future. India must be due an era of dominance at some point with their financial and population advantages. They've just been so poor in away conditions over the years.


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dons50 wrote:
Sausage wrote:
In more recent years....

Cook, Strauss and Trott scoring 500+ for 1 wicket to turn around the series in Australia in 2010/11
KP deciding the best way to play for the required draw in the last test of 2005 was to keep hitting sixes
Last pair Anderson and Monty batting out the last 20-ish overs for a draw at Cardiff in a later Ashes
Swann and Monty out-bowling the Indian twirlers on their own grounds in about 2012
Stokes classy ton in his debut series, in a losing cause at Perth in 2013
Moeen’s hat-trick against the Saffers

Just thought I’d redress the balance after D50’s enjoyment of anyone-but-England, particularly against England, a bit like his anyone-but-Dons. ;)


Sorry! West Indies were so dominant during my formative years!

I did quote Bob Willis’s 8 wickets at Headingley in 1981. As important as Botham.

Thorpe in the dusk winning a test match in Karachi.

Leodon Senior has reminded me we were at the England v Windies Test at Headingley in 2000. All over by Friday afternoon - Caddick took 5 for 14, Gough 4 for 30. Windies 61 all out. Brian Lara made 4 in the first innings and 2 in the second and Vaughan was our highest scorer with 76.


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Before my time but I had a schoolteacher who told me he bunked off school when he was a lad and watched one of the days at Old Trafford when Jim Laker took 19 wickets v Australia.

Imagine that. Tony lock is at the other end and can only take one wicket whilst Laker cleans up.


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Not a test but a one day. Lamb & De Freitas vs Australia at the SCG in '87. Lamb hit 18 in the first 5 balls of the last over to win. Lovely.

A bit like Lamb vs Courtney Walsh later that year (or was it a year after?). I thnk Walsh cried. His tears fed me.

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keyser soze wrote:
Not a test but a one day. Lamb & De Freitas vs Australia at the SCG in '87. Lamb hit 18 in the first 5 balls of the last over to win. Lovely.

A bit like Lamb vs Courtney Walsh later that year (or was it a year after?). I thnk Walsh cried. His tears fed me.

Oh that brings back good memories. That series in Australia is my earliest memory of one day Cricket and I loved the novelty of floodlight games, white ball and coloured clothing. My older brother and I bought a VHS of it - On Top Down Under (and, no, we didn't think it was a porn video) and watched it every so often for years. It was a great one day series with Australia, England, and strong WI and Pakistan teams.
It's ironic I loved it so much as nowadays I can see that (following on from Kerry Packer) it was the beginning of nations focusing more on one-dayers and less on Test Matches. But to my youngish eyes it was all so novel and exciting and it was a really great series with 4 strong teams.
Not thought about that for a while. Thanks for the reminder: I'll be sending a message to my brother about it later. :)


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